Long distance ethernet, with Power

Long distance ethernet, with Power

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Brother D

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3,907 posts

182 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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I have a barn/shed I need to connect to that needs CCTV.

It doesn't have any power. Nearest power is +200m away.

Network connectivity is 300/400m away.

I was thinking putting a switch at the power location and running 200m of ethernet (which should work at 10Mbps (I've done 150m of 10Mbps over crappy cat3) but I don't think POE would work over that length of cat5/6?

Main issue I think is getting power over that distance. Any ideas?

TIA




WelshRich

417 posts

63 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Small solar panel and an old car battery?

thebraketester

14,619 posts

144 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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POE extender/repeater

Gareth79

7,963 posts

252 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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If you don't want to run mains for safely/hassle reasons then maybe consider a 24/48V DC supply with a decent thickness cable and then either use a PoE injector the other end or a step-down supply to whatever the cameras need?

Another option for getting the data back is point to point radio, it's fairly cheap these days especially 2nd hand stuff on eBay etc.

Brother D

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3,907 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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thebraketester said:
POE extender/repeater
They need power, and at 2/300m you would have to daisy-chain which probably wouldn't work (running poe switch off another poe switch).

Edited by Brother D on Tuesday 14th November 01:34

Brother D

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182 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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Gareth79 said:
If you don't want to run mains for safely/hassle reasons then maybe consider a 24/48V DC supply with a decent thickness cable and then either use a PoE injector the other end or a step-down supply to whatever the cameras need?

Another option for getting the data back is point to point radio, it's fairly cheap these days especially 2nd hand stuff on eBay etc.
Running proper armoured mains power would be expensive.

Looking at voltage drop over 300m for 48v seems pretty reasonable...

I have multiple radios already on site and some spares - so that might well be the way forward - I had it in my head that there would be a significant voltage drop over that distance.

Neddy Sea Goon

239 posts

54 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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Veracity might have a solution, their longspan units are pretty good

Vaguely recall a 4 channel one in their range, but I've not used it

megaphone

10,874 posts

257 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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I've run 48v PoE over 200m of CAT6 before to run a camera. Camera connects at 100Mbs. Easy to test it before you run in the cable.

thebraketester

14,619 posts

144 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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Brother D said:
thebraketester said:
POE extender/repeater
They need power, and at 2/300m you would have to daisy-chain which probably wouldn't work (running poe switch off another poe switch).

Edited by Brother D on Tuesday 14th November 01:34
https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/fi/1519/14188/10-100-1000BASE-T-PoE+Ethernet-Repeater-8023at,1-Port

Can't see why that wouldn't work. I presume your cameras are POE?

Brother D

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182 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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thebraketester said:
Brother D said:
thebraketester said:
POE extender/repeater
They need power, and at 2/300m you would have to daisy-chain which probably wouldn't work (running poe switch off another poe switch).

Edited by Brother D on Tuesday 14th November 01:34
https://www.blackbox.co.uk/gb-gb/fi/1519/14188/10-100-1000BASE-T-PoE+Ethernet-Repeater-8023at,1-Port

Can't see why that wouldn't work. I presume your cameras are POE?
Huh - I had no idea those existed! I assumed you would need to inject power at each junction. I'll give those a try

Thanks!

biggiles

1,817 posts

231 months

Wednesday 15th November 2023
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Lots of options. When I had a similar distance (500m) I may have used armoured cable to run mains voltage. If you're only using a tiny amount of power then the voltage drop isn't that much... it might be out of spec for the purists but cameras etc. can cope fine.

3 options for ethernet over your distance: repeated ethernet; coax; fibre. If you're confident with networking, then fibre is perhaps the "best" choice.

megaphone

10,874 posts

257 months

Wednesday 15th November 2023
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biggiles said:
Lots of options. When I had a similar distance (500m) I may have used armoured cable to run mains voltage. If you're only using a tiny amount of power then the voltage drop isn't that much... it might be out of spec for the purists but cameras etc. can cope fine.

3 options for ethernet over your distance: repeated ethernet; coax; fibre. If you're confident with networking, then fibre is perhaps the "best" choice.
He hasn't got any power at the camera end.

Griffith4ever

4,565 posts

41 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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megaphone said:
I've run 48v PoE over 200m of CAT6 before to run a camera. Camera connects at 100Mbs. Easy to test it before you run in the cable.
this is what I'd try first. You are going to need the cable and the POE injector anyhow so nothing lost in trying.

I'd put a surge protector for the RJ45 at each end to protect from nearby lightening.

Brother D

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3,907 posts

182 months

Monday 1st January
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Thanks Brakemaster - used a single passive poe extender probably 100m+200m and it works a treat!


thebraketester

14,619 posts

144 months

Monday 1st January
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Brother D said:
Thanks Brakemaster - used a single passive poe extender probably 100m+200m and it works a treat!

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