Just another Apple rant
Discussion
Wife has new CD, I suggest putting it on her iPod which she still uses and plugs into a Ruark with an iPod dock. Yes we still use CDs too.
Manage eventually to access the iTunes account (under my name) on a new lap top (after changing the password), but the new lap top hasn't a CD drive. Will bring into use an external drive for this.
But accessing her past music library is hit and miss, as whilst I have stored it on an external hard drive and the current lap top, it will only find certain albums. They're all there, just "can't be found".
I'm tempted to start again with a new iTunes library under her name and putting the new stuff on her phone which she'll have to bluetooth to a speaker or to her iPad again bluetooth to a speaker. If I try to add new stuff to her old library I just know something will go wrong in the "sync".
Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon screwed up by Mr Apple.
Rant over, no swearies except the words iTunes and Apple
I'm Android/Windows rip any CDs in FLAC and can swop around to my hearts content - so easy.
Manage eventually to access the iTunes account (under my name) on a new lap top (after changing the password), but the new lap top hasn't a CD drive. Will bring into use an external drive for this.
But accessing her past music library is hit and miss, as whilst I have stored it on an external hard drive and the current lap top, it will only find certain albums. They're all there, just "can't be found".
I'm tempted to start again with a new iTunes library under her name and putting the new stuff on her phone which she'll have to bluetooth to a speaker or to her iPad again bluetooth to a speaker. If I try to add new stuff to her old library I just know something will go wrong in the "sync".
Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon screwed up by Mr Apple.
Rant over, no swearies except the words iTunes and Apple
I'm Android/Windows rip any CDs in FLAC and can swop around to my hearts content - so easy.
therams said:
Things have moved on. Ditch the cd and Hifi and move on to Spotify/tidal/Apple Music and a wireless or Bluetooth speaker system. It’s only going to get harder to use cds or dvds
I have an even better idea: ditch your CD collection and wifi and move on to Spotify/tidal/Apple Music or Deezer. 
Another dinosaur CD user - just spent £500 on a new Marantz deck. MP3 recordings just don't do it - and as for streaming.... well, I suppose if you've not heard better....
I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 17:30
ZedLeg said:
Tidal Hi-Fi streams at the same bit rate as cds and I don’t have to have hundreds of plastic discs taking up space in my house.
Keep using them if you want but don’t try and pretend that it’s the best way.
Exactly. Tidal, Amazon and Apple all offer better than CD quality streaming. Many others do too. Keep using them if you want but don’t try and pretend that it’s the best way.
ZedLeg said:
Not really an apple problem so much as an obsolete technology problem 
Very true!
Griffith4ever said:
Another dinosaur CD user - just spent £500 on a new Marantz deck. MP3 recordings just don't do it - and as for streaming.... well, I suppose if you've not heard better....
I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
I know this is a bit of a sensitive topic and that you won’t agree but I just don’t get this reasoning when it comes up. If you’re interested in the music you’re listening to surely by far the most significant factor is how good the actual music and musicianship is? As long as there’s no appalling distortion or serious drop outs of some frequencies. Also the room is a massive factor too and it’s rare that the room is anything like perfect to appreciate these subtle differences.I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 17:30
It’s the same when folk go in about their amazing old plasma screens with blacker-than-blacks: if you’re bothered by subtle differences in shade then it’s probably best to put on movie with a more engrossing storyline.
But again, agree to disagree and all that
Griffith4ever said:
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
Huh? An entire CD stored as a lossless WAV file is 650MB, less using lossless compression like FLAC. Let's assume you have 10,000 CDs which would be a very nice CD collection. Even uncompressed, that's 6.5TB. Easy to store cheaply on a consumer NAS. If you only have 1000 CDs, (still a very big collection for most people) you could fit everything on the hard drive of a modern laptop. Last time I bought a cheap USB hard drive to make backups on, it had a capacity of 5TB. It should be cheap and easy to store your music collection losslessly. Or are you the BBC sound archive? ZedLeg said:
Tidal Hi-Fi streams at the same bit rate as cds and I don’t have to have hundreds of plastic discs taking up space in my house.
Keep using them if you want but don’t try and pretend that it’s the best way.
Is Tidal free? and I didn't say it was the best way did I?Keep using them if you want but don’t try and pretend that it’s the best way.
At least I'm feeling lucky you didn't put a laughing emoji at the end of your reply this time.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 21:14
Driller said:
ZedLeg said:
Not really an apple problem so much as an obsolete technology problem
Very true!Griffith4ever said:
Another dinosaur CD user - just spent £500 on a new Marantz deck. MP3 recordings just don't do it - and as for streaming.... well, I suppose if you've not heard better....
I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
I know this is a bit of a sensitive topic and that you won’t agree but I just don’t get this reasoning when it comes up. If you’re interested in the music you’re listening to surely by far the most significant factor is how good the actual music and musicianship is? As long as there’s no appalling distortion or serious drop outs of some frequencies. Also the room is a massive factor too and it’s rare that the room is anything like perfect to appreciate these subtle differences.I'm often apalled at how we've taken a backwards step in audio based purely on convenience. But I get it - the game is over.
p.s. the last time iTunes f'kd me over I never went back to it. Mine are all on a HDD and played via Sonos unless I really want to enjoy something properly then I pop the CD in and soak it up.
I'm not imagining it. I've ripped many a CD at 320Kbps and it just does not have the "depth" that I get from the actual CD. Perhaps that's largely down to Sonos vs a good CD player (same amp). The CD always wins by a large margin. I'd persever with lossless but then the storage issues just mean CDs are actually easier to deal with.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 17:30
It’s the same when folk go in about their amazing old plasma screens with blacker-than-blacks: if you’re bothered by subtle differences in shade then it’s probably best to put on movie with a more engrossing storyline.
But again, agree to disagree and all that
No - to me - the quality of the music is absolutely vital - not always - but often (more below). I guess it depends if you've listened to a "proper hifi", and, if it's your "thing". When I listed to a good recording, on a good hifi, it is a whole different experience from simply hearing the same music. I sit back and revel in the subtltey, the sublime kick drum, the stereo presence and placing - not sure how to word it all without sounding like a wine ponce (which I am too). On a really good hifi with a good source - it is magical. Hairs on my arms stand on end. I grin.
I set my system up 10 years ago (Mirage omnipolar floor standers, Denon amp, Kenwood CD) and it genuinely brought a tear to my eyes when listening to some recordings. Joyful. Moving.
I set the same system up in my current home and relied on Sonos to stream the music. All ripped at 320k (which the boffins will tell you is plenty enough for our ears). Sounded "fine" - but after a few years I started to wonder why I was not getting the same experience from the same system, so I plopped in a CD of the same music (Public service broadbasting in this instance) and boom! I was back there - the same music but much. much better. Deeper, more detailed, just a LOAD better.
Can my mrs tell the difference? can she hell, but then , she doesn't care. She also doesn't like music with no vocals. She loves the words and meanings of songs. She can sing pretty much any song she's every liked, word for word. I can't give a fig about the words :-) I get off on the sonics.
Going back to the quality "preference" - some music to me is all about the whole "package" and I'm nto so bothered about the fidelity.
Temper Trap
Two Door Cinema Club
Fontaines DC
To name just three. They are all about the "songs" to me. (They are also not hugely good mixes/recordings) - I love them - but I don't sit on my couch ( or in my hammock in my garden) specifically to listen to them. I do however do that for the likes of:
Public Service Broadcasting
Fleetwood Mac
Classical
Santana
John Lee Hooker (Healer)
A lot of Coldplay's stuff
Lots of other random stuff
Even in my car I play stations like Absolute 80's via my phone's bluetooth instead of the car's DAB, as the DAB is in freaking mono!
What I'm saying is some I like for it's whole package, some for its sonic experience.
I have no doubt that a losless rip of my favourite CD would contain the same data - but, I'd need to have a device with DACs that made those recordings sound at least as good as my CDs (which most off teh shelf media streamers are not going to have), and I already have a good CD player - and it doesn't need a subscription.
Btw - the blacks on Plasma and OLED - it's not about "subtle differences in shade" - LED TVs simply cannot do black. They do grey. For daytime TV viewing no one cares, but if you are into films with a lot of black (star wars originals are a good example), they look bloody aweful with a grey background - particularly if the film is shown in its original format - you'll have totally black bars above and below, just to highlight how grey the rest of the picture is. Without inky blacks you lose a sense of 3D/depth.
There is reasoning behind this "madness". :-)
I rotate only a handful of my physical CDs at any one time , so a few cases in the lounge. Rest of the time it's sonos/car hifi, and garden hifi.
People are different, for sure, and have different priorities. I have a JBL charge 3. I bought it because at the time it was one of the very few stereo blutooth speakers. They are all mono now! (Charge 4, and charge 5). No one cares it seems. I bought two and pair them in stereo outside in my yard - they sound epic for what they are. My mate commented on how good they were, asked what model they were, ignored me, and bought the JBL charge 4 which is mono. He's delighted with it. Mono drives me nuts :-) - I remember the joy when FM stereo and TV nicam stereo came into being, so I find it bemusing people my age are perfectly happy to take a step back to mono. :-)
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 21:07
Griffith4ever said:
Haha - I appreciate the tactful approach. I also undertsand we are all different:-)
No - to me - the quality of the music is absolutely vital - not always - but often (more below). I guess it depends if you've listened to a "proper hifi", and, if it's your "thing". When I listed to a good recording, on a good hifi, it is a whole different experience from simply hearing the same music. I sit back and revel in the subtltey, the sublime kick drum, the stereo presence and placing - not sure how to word it all without sounding like a wine ponce (which I am too). On a really good hifi with a good source - it is magical. Hairs on my arms stand on end. I grin.
I set my system up 10 years ago (Mirage omnipolar floor standers, Denon amp, Kenwood CD) and it genuinely brought a tear to my eyes when listening to some recordings. Joyful. Moving.
I set the same system up in my current home and relied on Sonos to stream the music. All ripped at 320k (which the boffins will tell you is plenty enough for our ears). Sounded "fine" - but after a few years I started to wonder why I was not getting the same experience from the same system, so I plopped in a CD of the same music (Public service broadbasting in this instance) and boom! I was back there - the same music but much. much better. Deeper, more detailed, just a LOAD better.
Can my mrs tell the difference? can she hell, but then , she doesn't care. She also doesn't like music with no vocals. She loves the words and meanings of songs. She can sing pretty much any song she's every liked, word for word. I can't give a fig about the words :-) I get off on the sonics.
Going back to the quality "preference" - some music to me is all about the whole "package" and I'm nto so bothered about the fidelity.
Temper Trap
Two Door Cinema Club
Fontaines DC
To name just three. They are all about the "songs" to me. (They are also not hugely good mixes/recordings) - I love them - but I don't sit on my couch ( or in my hammock in my garden) specifically to listen to them. I do however do that for the likes of:
Public Service Broadcasting
Fleetwood Mac
Classical
Santana
John Lee Hooker (Healer)
A lot of Coldplay's stuff
Lots of other random stuff
Even in my car I play stations like Absolute 80's via my phone's bluetooth instead of the car's DAB, as the DAB is in freaking mono!
What I'm saying is some I like for it's whole package, some for its sonic experience.
I have no doubt that a losless rip of my favourite CD would contain the same data - but, I'd need to have a device with DACs that made those recordings sound at least as good as my CDs (which most off teh shelf media streamers are not going to have), and I already have a good CD player - and it doesn't need a subscription.
Btw - the blacks on Plasma and OLED - it's not about "subtle differences in shade" - LED TVs simply cannot do black. They do grey. For daytime TV viewing no one cares, but if you are into films with a lot of black (star wars originals are a good example), they look bloody aweful with a grey background - particularly if the film is shown in its original format - you'll have totally black bars above and below, just to highlight how grey the rest of the picture is. Without inky blacks you lose a sense of 3D/depth.
There is reasoning behind this "madness". :-)
I rotate only a handful of my physical CDs at any one time , so a few cases in the lounge. Rest of the time it's sonos/car hifi, and garden hifi.
People are different, for sure, and have different priorities. I have a JBL charge 3. I bought it because at the time it was one of the very few stereo blutooth speakers. They are all mono now! (Charge 4, and charge 5). No one cares it seems. I bought two and pair them in stereo outside in my yard - they sound epic for what they are. My mate commented on how good they were, asked what model they were, ignored me, and bought the JBL charge 4 which is mono. He's delighted with it. Mono drives me nuts :-) - I remember the joy when FM stereo and TV nicam stereo came into being, so I find it bemusing people my age are perfectly happy to take a step back to mono. :-)
Nice setup. But for only £9.99 per month you could have up to 1411 kbps, exactly the same as a CD. It’s obviously not a cost thing as you’ve made a large investment but I’m interested in why you’d have such an interest in audio quality yet shun streaming at exactly the same quality? No - to me - the quality of the music is absolutely vital - not always - but often (more below). I guess it depends if you've listened to a "proper hifi", and, if it's your "thing". When I listed to a good recording, on a good hifi, it is a whole different experience from simply hearing the same music. I sit back and revel in the subtltey, the sublime kick drum, the stereo presence and placing - not sure how to word it all without sounding like a wine ponce (which I am too). On a really good hifi with a good source - it is magical. Hairs on my arms stand on end. I grin.
I set my system up 10 years ago (Mirage omnipolar floor standers, Denon amp, Kenwood CD) and it genuinely brought a tear to my eyes when listening to some recordings. Joyful. Moving.
I set the same system up in my current home and relied on Sonos to stream the music. All ripped at 320k (which the boffins will tell you is plenty enough for our ears). Sounded "fine" - but after a few years I started to wonder why I was not getting the same experience from the same system, so I plopped in a CD of the same music (Public service broadbasting in this instance) and boom! I was back there - the same music but much. much better. Deeper, more detailed, just a LOAD better.
Can my mrs tell the difference? can she hell, but then , she doesn't care. She also doesn't like music with no vocals. She loves the words and meanings of songs. She can sing pretty much any song she's every liked, word for word. I can't give a fig about the words :-) I get off on the sonics.
Going back to the quality "preference" - some music to me is all about the whole "package" and I'm nto so bothered about the fidelity.
Temper Trap
Two Door Cinema Club
Fontaines DC
To name just three. They are all about the "songs" to me. (They are also not hugely good mixes/recordings) - I love them - but I don't sit on my couch ( or in my hammock in my garden) specifically to listen to them. I do however do that for the likes of:
Public Service Broadcasting
Fleetwood Mac
Classical
Santana
John Lee Hooker (Healer)
A lot of Coldplay's stuff
Lots of other random stuff
Even in my car I play stations like Absolute 80's via my phone's bluetooth instead of the car's DAB, as the DAB is in freaking mono!
What I'm saying is some I like for it's whole package, some for its sonic experience.
I have no doubt that a losless rip of my favourite CD would contain the same data - but, I'd need to have a device with DACs that made those recordings sound at least as good as my CDs (which most off teh shelf media streamers are not going to have), and I already have a good CD player - and it doesn't need a subscription.
Btw - the blacks on Plasma and OLED - it's not about "subtle differences in shade" - LED TVs simply cannot do black. They do grey. For daytime TV viewing no one cares, but if you are into films with a lot of black (star wars originals are a good example), they look bloody aweful with a grey background - particularly if the film is shown in its original format - you'll have totally black bars above and below, just to highlight how grey the rest of the picture is. Without inky blacks you lose a sense of 3D/depth.
There is reasoning behind this "madness". :-)
I rotate only a handful of my physical CDs at any one time , so a few cases in the lounge. Rest of the time it's sonos/car hifi, and garden hifi.
People are different, for sure, and have different priorities. I have a JBL charge 3. I bought it because at the time it was one of the very few stereo blutooth speakers. They are all mono now! (Charge 4, and charge 5). No one cares it seems. I bought two and pair them in stereo outside in my yard - they sound epic for what they are. My mate commented on how good they were, asked what model they were, ignored me, and bought the JBL charge 4 which is mono. He's delighted with it. Mono drives me nuts :-) - I remember the joy when FM stereo and TV nicam stereo came into being, so I find it bemusing people my age are perfectly happy to take a step back to mono. :-)
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 21:07
Griffith4ever said:
Haha - I appreciate the tactful approach. I also undertsand we are all different:-)
No - to me - the quality of the music is absolutely vital - not always - but often (more below). I guess it depends if you've listened to a "proper hifi", and, if it's your "thing". When I listed to a good recording, on a good hifi, it is a whole different experience from simply hearing the same music. I sit back and revel in the subtltey, the sublime kick drum, the stereo presence and placing - not sure how to word it all without sounding like a wine ponce (which I am too). On a really good hifi with a good source - it is magical. Hairs on my arms stand on end. I grin.
I set my system up 10 years ago (Mirage omnipolar floor standers, Denon amp, Kenwood CD) and it genuinely brought a tear to my eyes when listening to some recordings. Joyful. Moving.
I set the same system up in my current home and relied on Sonos to stream the music. All ripped at 320k (which the boffins will tell you is plenty enough for our ears). Sounded "fine" - but after a few years I started to wonder why I was not getting the same experience from the same system, so I plopped in a CD of the same music (Public service broadbasting in this instance) and boom! I was back there - the same music but much. much better. Deeper, more detailed, just a LOAD better.
Can my mrs tell the difference? can she hell, but then , she doesn't care. She also doesn't like music with no vocals. She loves the words and meanings of songs. She can sing pretty much any song she's every liked, word for word. I can't give a fig about the words :-) I get off on the sonics.
Going back to the quality "preference" - some music to me is all about the whole "package" and I'm nto so bothered about the fidelity.
Temper Trap
Two Door Cinema Club
Fontaines DC
To name just three. They are all about the "songs" to me. (They are also not hugely good mixes/recordings) - I love them - but I don't sit on my couch ( or in my hammock in my garden) specifically to listen to them. I do however do that for the likes of:
Public Service Broadcasting
Fleetwood Mac
Classical
Santana
John Lee Hooker (Healer)
A lot of Coldplay's stuff
Lots of other random stuff
Even in my car I play stations like Absolute 80's via my phone's bluetooth instead of the car's DAB, as the DAB is in freaking mono!
What I'm saying is some I like for it's whole package, some for its sonic experience.
I have no doubt that a losless rip of my favourite CD would contain the same data - but, I'd need to have a device with DACs that made those recordings sound at least as good as my CDs (which most off teh shelf media streamers are not going to have), and I already have a good CD player - and it doesn't need a subscription.
Btw - the blacks on Plasma and OLED - it's not about "subtle differences in shade" - LED TVs simply cannot do black. They do grey. For daytime TV viewing no one cares, but if you are into films with a lot of black (star wars originals are a good example), they look bloody aweful with a grey background - particularly if the film is shown in its original format - you'll have totally black bars above and below, just to highlight how grey the rest of the picture is. Without inky blacks you lose a sense of 3D/depth.
There is reasoning behind this "madness". :-)
I rotate only a handful of my physical CDs at any one time , so a few cases in the lounge. Rest of the time it's sonos/car hifi, and garden hifi.
People are different, for sure, and have different priorities. I have a JBL charge 3. I bought it because at the time it was one of the very few stereo blutooth speakers. They are all mono now! (Charge 4, and charge 5). No one cares it seems. I bought two and pair them in stereo outside in my yard - they sound epic for what they are. My mate commented on how good they were, asked what model they were, ignored me, and bought the JBL charge 4 which is mono. He's delighted with it. Mono drives me nuts :-) - I remember the joy when FM stereo and TV nicam stereo came into being, so I find it bemusing people my age are perfectly happy to take a step back to mono. :-)
Well I really appreciate that you appreciate my approach. I have become very frustrated with these forums of late with people seemingly arguing for the sake of it and jumping in with aggressive comments off the bat. It's nice to share and discuss ideas, even conflicting ones, in a laid back way.No - to me - the quality of the music is absolutely vital - not always - but often (more below). I guess it depends if you've listened to a "proper hifi", and, if it's your "thing". When I listed to a good recording, on a good hifi, it is a whole different experience from simply hearing the same music. I sit back and revel in the subtltey, the sublime kick drum, the stereo presence and placing - not sure how to word it all without sounding like a wine ponce (which I am too). On a really good hifi with a good source - it is magical. Hairs on my arms stand on end. I grin.
I set my system up 10 years ago (Mirage omnipolar floor standers, Denon amp, Kenwood CD) and it genuinely brought a tear to my eyes when listening to some recordings. Joyful. Moving.
I set the same system up in my current home and relied on Sonos to stream the music. All ripped at 320k (which the boffins will tell you is plenty enough for our ears). Sounded "fine" - but after a few years I started to wonder why I was not getting the same experience from the same system, so I plopped in a CD of the same music (Public service broadbasting in this instance) and boom! I was back there - the same music but much. much better. Deeper, more detailed, just a LOAD better.
Can my mrs tell the difference? can she hell, but then , she doesn't care. She also doesn't like music with no vocals. She loves the words and meanings of songs. She can sing pretty much any song she's every liked, word for word. I can't give a fig about the words :-) I get off on the sonics.
Going back to the quality "preference" - some music to me is all about the whole "package" and I'm nto so bothered about the fidelity.
Temper Trap
Two Door Cinema Club
Fontaines DC
To name just three. They are all about the "songs" to me. (They are also not hugely good mixes/recordings) - I love them - but I don't sit on my couch ( or in my hammock in my garden) specifically to listen to them. I do however do that for the likes of:
Public Service Broadcasting
Fleetwood Mac
Classical
Santana
John Lee Hooker (Healer)
A lot of Coldplay's stuff
Lots of other random stuff
Even in my car I play stations like Absolute 80's via my phone's bluetooth instead of the car's DAB, as the DAB is in freaking mono!
What I'm saying is some I like for it's whole package, some for its sonic experience.
I have no doubt that a losless rip of my favourite CD would contain the same data - but, I'd need to have a device with DACs that made those recordings sound at least as good as my CDs (which most off teh shelf media streamers are not going to have), and I already have a good CD player - and it doesn't need a subscription.
Btw - the blacks on Plasma and OLED - it's not about "subtle differences in shade" - LED TVs simply cannot do black. They do grey. For daytime TV viewing no one cares, but if you are into films with a lot of black (star wars originals are a good example), they look bloody aweful with a grey background - particularly if the film is shown in its original format - you'll have totally black bars above and below, just to highlight how grey the rest of the picture is. Without inky blacks you lose a sense of 3D/depth.
There is reasoning behind this "madness". :-)
I rotate only a handful of my physical CDs at any one time , so a few cases in the lounge. Rest of the time it's sonos/car hifi, and garden hifi.
People are different, for sure, and have different priorities. I have a JBL charge 3. I bought it because at the time it was one of the very few stereo blutooth speakers. They are all mono now! (Charge 4, and charge 5). No one cares it seems. I bought two and pair them in stereo outside in my yard - they sound epic for what they are. My mate commented on how good they were, asked what model they were, ignored me, and bought the JBL charge 4 which is mono. He's delighted with it. Mono drives me nuts :-) - I remember the joy when FM stereo and TV nicam stereo came into being, so I find it bemusing people my age are perfectly happy to take a step back to mono. :-)
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 20th November 21:07
As the other poster above said, it sounds like you have nice system. Which model of those speakers do you have? They look really good (especially the OM-1s ;-)) and which model amp?
I do know what you mean about the critical listening thing, I have what some might call an intermediate system in a part of the lounge which is untreated (CM9s, Rotel RB1582 and RC-1550) and powered monitors in an acoustically treated studio. I do always end up just getting into the music though, either imagining the notes played or, often, singing all. Maybe being a musician provokes me into playing a more active role and thus paying less attention to the pure critical listening side which by the sound of it you are very experienced at
sebdangerfield said:
Nice setup. But for only £9.99 per month you could have up to 1411 kbps, exactly the same as a CD. It’s obviously not a cost thing as you’ve made a large investment but I’m interested in why you’d have such an interest in audio quality yet shun streaming at exactly the same quality?
It is only relatively recently that streaming services have introduced lossless. If someone’s only experience of streaming is a free account a few years ago they probably won’t be aware of what’s available now. A bit too late for the OP but you can back up all your ripped CDs with iTunes Match for £25/year. But then again you may as welll go the whole hog and get Apple Music for £99/year which includes iTunes Match.
Even if CDs remain your preferred listening option surely it makes sense to subscribe to a streaming service as well so you can check out an album in full before handing over your hard-earned…?
Whilst I'll never have the space for a full hi-fi set-up, I appreciate the sonic quality of CD source compared to streamed too. It does not matter so much in the car but does when I really want to drift off into an album - start to finish - like the artist intended.
WinAMP for the Windows 95/98 win.
WinAMP for the Windows 95/98 win.
funinhounslow said:
A bit too late for the OP but you can back up all your ripped CDs with iTunes Match for £25/year. But then again you may as welll go the whole hog and get Apple Music for £99/year which includes iTunes Match.
Note that iTunes Match has a knack of “matching” whatever the hell it likes, rather than what you actually want it to. Fine for run of the mill stuff, but useless for rare editions and especially for classical.Skyedriver said:
Wife has new CD, I suggest putting it on her iPod which she still uses and plugs into a Ruark with an iPod dock. Yes we still use CDs too.
Manage eventually to access the iTunes account (under my name) on a new lap top (after changing the password), but the new lap top hasn't a CD drive. Will bring into use an external drive for this.
But accessing her past music library is hit and miss, as whilst I have stored it on an external hard drive and the current lap top, it will only find certain albums. They're all there, just "can't be found".
I'm tempted to start again with a new iTunes library under her name and putting the new stuff on her phone which she'll have to bluetooth to a speaker or to her iPad again bluetooth to a speaker. If I try to add new stuff to her old library I just know something will go wrong in the "sync".
Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon screwed up by Mr Apple.
Rant over, no swearies except the words iTunes and Apple
I'm Android/Windows rip any CDs in FLAC and can swop around to my hearts content - so easy.
Another view could be that you had a working iTunes account & installation but replaced some hardware & didn’t migrate the account & data to the new hardware until you decided to update the library & then ran into account / library issues.Manage eventually to access the iTunes account (under my name) on a new lap top (after changing the password), but the new lap top hasn't a CD drive. Will bring into use an external drive for this.
But accessing her past music library is hit and miss, as whilst I have stored it on an external hard drive and the current lap top, it will only find certain albums. They're all there, just "can't be found".
I'm tempted to start again with a new iTunes library under her name and putting the new stuff on her phone which she'll have to bluetooth to a speaker or to her iPad again bluetooth to a speaker. If I try to add new stuff to her old library I just know something will go wrong in the "sync".
Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon screwed up by Mr Apple.
Rant over, no swearies except the words iTunes and Apple
I'm Android/Windows rip any CDs in FLAC and can swop around to my hearts content - so easy.
Apple can be frustrating that’s undoubtedly true, it’s also true often we don’t help ourselves allowing applications & accounts to become stale.
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