Internet backup for my Unifi UDM

Internet backup for my Unifi UDM

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FriedMarsBar

Original Poster:

308 posts

38 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Any input appreciated. I've had multiple issues with Virgin and whilst they've resolved most of the issues I would like a backup device.

I use the Virgin hub as a modem and have Unifi UDM as the Wifi and security device.

Can anyone reccomend a 4G or 5G SIM based backup device that I could hook up to the UDM so that it's seamless?

Ubiquiti have Uni LTE that does this in the states but apparently it isn't supported in the UK.

Cheers

Captain_Morgan

1,243 posts

65 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Unfortunately last time I looked at this the UDM did not support it.

You needed a UDM Pro as a minimum & that only supported wan failover.

If you want a (relatively) seamless service you would need dual wan functionality & at present that is a UDM SE option only. Note this balances traffic across both wan connections simultaneously so any connections running over the link that fails would drop & re-establish.

I suspect either of these options would work for you but may require a hw change

FunkyGibbon

3,793 posts

270 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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...or a HW addition...

Something like the TP-Link RL605 is a load balancing router that offers failback (about £50)

So you could do

Virgin -> RL605
4G/5G -> RL605

RL605 -> UDM

I have my wifi router as AP mode only and use the RL605 as the router and DHCP server.

For 4G router the B818 was king. I imagine their 5G variant is also good.

Captain_Morgan

1,243 posts

65 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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FunkyGibbon said:
...or a HW addition...

Something like the TP-Link RL605 is a load balancing router that offers failback (about £50)

So you could do

Virgin -> RL605
4G/5G -> RL605

RL605 -> UDM

I have my wifi router as AP mode only and use the RL605 as the router and DHCP server.

For 4G router the B818 was king. I imagine their 5G variant is also good.
That would of course introduce dual nat which may or may not be a concern to the op.

theboss

7,091 posts

225 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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I'm waiting for Ubiquiti to provide NAT disablement before I buy a UDM Pro/SE for this reason

That or just some basic policy-based routing so I don't need the extra router for WAN load balancing

The old USG can do both of these things and it's annoying the newer platform can't.

FunkyGibbon

3,793 posts

270 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Captain_Morgan said:
That would of course introduce dual nat which may or may not be a concern to the op.
It could, but in my setup the RL605 does routing, firewall, VPN and dhcp, the wifi is dealt with as a separate device (Asus GT-AX6000 as access point only) on the same physical network.

I'd assume a UDM can be in AP mode only, and leave the routing to another device?

Unless I misunderstand "dual NAT" which is likely biggrin


troc

3,849 posts

181 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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I have a unifi u-lte pro (here in Holland) with a Vodafone data sim in it attached to my udmpro as a wan failover and it works fairly seamlessly.

Captain_Morgan

1,243 posts

65 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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FunkyGibbon said:
Captain_Morgan said:
That would of course introduce dual nat which may or may not be a concern to the op.
It could, but in my setup the RL605 does routing, firewall, VPN and dhcp, the wifi is dealt with as a separate device (Asus GT-AX6000 as access point only) on the same physical network.

I'd assume a UDM can be in AP mode only, and leave the routing to another device?

Unless I misunderstand "dual NAT" which is likely biggrin
Absolutely it could but it would then break the usp of unif & its sdn management platform.

In your case as the RL605 is the router then the dbl nat isn’t an issue.

FunkyGibbon

3,793 posts

270 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Captain_Morgan said:
t would then break the usp of unif & its sdn management platform.
Fair point.

The core of my network is managed by the TP-Link Omada platform. I've separated WiFi from that as I'm comfortable a and happy with ASUS AI-Mesh.

Apologies OP for drifting of topic a bit...

Captain_Morgan

1,243 posts

65 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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FunkyGibbon said:
Captain_Morgan said:
t would then break the usp of unif & its sdn management platform.
Fair point.

The core of my network is managed by the TP-Link Omada platform. I've separated WiFi from that as I'm comfortable a and happy with ASUS AI-Mesh.

Apologies OP for drifting of topic a bit...
Pfsense router with Omada lan & ap here.

somouk

1,425 posts

204 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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I run a USG which does failover, my understanding is that UDM/UDR don't support failover and you would have to upgrade to the UDM Pro or SE to get failover.

FriedMarsBar

Original Poster:

308 posts

38 months

Tuesday 25th October 2022
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Thanks all for chipping in, I'll need new HW somwhere then as UDM is more home focussed.