Wi-Fi boosters - is my AV guy spinning me one?
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I am doing a house renovation including complete reqire, cat 6A etc
In the AV quote he has specced
Item Code Model
UDM Ubiquity UDM router
UAP-ACPRO Ubiquity UAP access point pro x3
USW-Pro-24-POE Ubiquiti UniFi 24 Port PoE Pro Switch
at the house he has replaced the ACPROs with Draytek VigorAP903 wtihout telling me
They are bloody ugly and he is suggesting putting them behind TVs which seems daft
The original intention (and cabling is in now) was for ceiling meounted Ubiquitys, one on each of the 3 hall/landings
views?
In the AV quote he has specced
Item Code Model
UDM Ubiquity UDM router
UAP-ACPRO Ubiquity UAP access point pro x3
USW-Pro-24-POE Ubiquiti UniFi 24 Port PoE Pro Switch
at the house he has replaced the ACPROs with Draytek VigorAP903 wtihout telling me
They are bloody ugly and he is suggesting putting them behind TVs which seems daft
The original intention (and cabling is in now) was for ceiling meounted Ubiquitys, one on each of the 3 hall/landings
views?
Sounds like a mess.
The Draytek APs won't appear in the Ubiquiti management tools, so get those replaced. It's not like there's a shortage of parts. They're easily available, so get what you were quoted for. Or what's the point of having Ubiquiti kit? Its single benefit is it's easy to manage all in one place.
The UDM is the worst bit of kit Ubiquity has ever made, so get that swapped out for a USG and cloud key or similar if you can.
The PoE switch is fine, that's a good bit of kit.
The Draytek APs won't appear in the Ubiquiti management tools, so get those replaced. It's not like there's a shortage of parts. They're easily available, so get what you were quoted for. Or what's the point of having Ubiquiti kit? Its single benefit is it's easy to manage all in one place.
The UDM is the worst bit of kit Ubiquity has ever made, so get that swapped out for a USG and cloud key or similar if you can.
The PoE switch is fine, that's a good bit of kit.
Edited by rewild on Friday 23 September 12:11
I hope it’s because of supply channel issues but it’s naughty to move to another vendor without consulting the client.
As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
Edited by Captain_Morgan on Friday 23 September 12:23
Captain_Morgan said:
I hope it’s because of supply channel issues but it’s naughty to move to another vendor without consulting the client.
As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
Lack of supply was my first thought for Unifi APs but a quick check shows numerous suppliers with them in stock.As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
Edited by Captain_Morgan on Friday 23 September 12:23
The Vigor APs are almost the same price, so I'd be having them replaced to benefit from the single management point (otherwise you could have got a much cheaper switch)
Harpoon said:
Lack of supply was my first thought for Unifi APs but a quick check shows numerous suppliers with them in stock.
The Vigor APs are almost the same price, so I'd be having them replaced to benefit from the single management point (otherwise you could have got a much cheaper switch)
thatThe Vigor APs are almost the same price, so I'd be having them replaced to benefit from the single management point (otherwise you could have got a much cheaper switch)
Harpoon said:
Captain_Morgan said:
I hope it’s because of supply channel issues but it’s naughty to move to another vendor without consulting the client.
As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
Lack of supply was my first thought for Unifi APs but a quick check shows numerous suppliers with them in stock.As an aside assuming the switch is rack mounted somewhere I’d have gone with a rack mount UDM pro.
But then depending on the number of poe devices I’d consider downgrading the switch or using a udm se with on board poe but as ever the devil’s in the detail on the use case.
Edited by Captain_Morgan on Friday 23 September 12:23
The Vigor APs are almost the same price, so I'd be having them replaced to benefit from the single management point (otherwise you could have got a much cheaper switch)
CharlesElliott said:
rewild said:
The UDM is the worst bit of kit Ubiquity has ever made, so get that swapped out for a USG and cloud key or similar if you can.
I wouldn't agree with the second part, I would go for a UDM Pro. The USG is too constrained on performance these days.Ubiquiti EU store has Access Points in stock, and will ship to the UK with all associated Brexit import bulls
t dealt with. Your guy needs to get the correct Unifi APs that will then work with the Unifi controller.Thanks all
Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
The UDM is a cylinder shaped thing which isn't designed to be rack mounted.
UDM Pro is rack mounted. UDM Pro SE is basically the same as the UDM Pro but with PoE ports. If you have a PoE switch in the same rack as your UDM Pro then having the SE doesn't really make sense.
£350 sounds a bit expensive for the UDM and a bit cheap for the Pro so I think you should check. There is also a new WiFi6 version called the Unifi Dream Router but that isn't rack mounted either.
It is definitely the Pro or Pro SE you want.
ETA: I missed that you said £350 + VAT which sounds about right for the Pro, but I would still check!
UDM Pro is rack mounted. UDM Pro SE is basically the same as the UDM Pro but with PoE ports. If you have a PoE switch in the same rack as your UDM Pro then having the SE doesn't really make sense.
£350 sounds a bit expensive for the UDM and a bit cheap for the Pro so I think you should check. There is also a new WiFi6 version called the Unifi Dream Router but that isn't rack mounted either.
It is definitely the Pro or Pro SE you want.
ETA: I missed that you said £350 + VAT which sounds about right for the Pro, but I would still check!
Adam. said:
Thanks all
Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
At £350 it should be the UDM Pro - if not then your supplier is making a very healthy profit out of you.Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
With the UDM pro, you'll need to configure your ISP's router to act as 'Modem only', otherwise you'll have dual-NAT which will work but may break some applications / games.
This is the device I'd expect to see at that price and mounted in a rack:
https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-...
Edited by Magnum 475 on Friday 23 September 14:35
Edited by Magnum 475 on Friday 23 September 14:36
Magnum 475 said:
Adam. said:
Thanks all
Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
At £350 it should be the UDM Pro - if not then your supplier is making a very healthy profit out of you.Problem has come about through poor communication than anything else, as I am dealing with electrician and AV kit supplier, but i the middle is an AV fitter - and the fitter has been changing kit from the supplier without telling the electrician or me. I have told him to switch everything back as I ordred.
To one question above, all this kit is in a rack under the stairs.
The Ubiquity UDM router is being charged to me at £350 + VAT. Supplier is pretty competitive (I checked vs Amaxon etc) so would that make it the UDM Pro version? I am happy to tell him to get the Pro is there an advantage to me, the numpty client, or to anyone who comes out to fix things in future.
Does this UDM router replace the sky/BT/whatever router I get when I set up a broadband supplier? In the last house I think the AV guy switched off the sky router, when I had Ubiquity stuff fitted.
With the UDM pro, you'll need to configure your ISP's router to act as 'Modem only', otherwise you'll have dual-NAT which will work but may break some applications / games.
This is the device I'd expect to see at that price and mounted in a rack:
https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-...
Edited by Magnum 475 on Friday 23 September 14:35
Edited by Magnum 475 on Friday 23 September 14:36
CharlesElliott said:
The UDM is a cylinder shaped thing which isn't designed to be rack mounted.
UDM Pro is rack mounted. UDM Pro SE is basically the same as the UDM Pro but with PoE ports. If you have a PoE switch in the same rack as your UDM Pro then having the SE doesn't really make sense.
£350 sounds a bit expensive for the UDM and a bit cheap for the Pro so I think you should check. There is also a new WiFi6 version called the Unifi Dream Router but that isn't rack mounted either.
It is definitely the Pro or Pro SE you want.
ETA: I missed that you said £350 + VAT which sounds about right for the Pro, but I would still check!
thanks - everything going on rack so pretty sure it will be the proUDM Pro is rack mounted. UDM Pro SE is basically the same as the UDM Pro but with PoE ports. If you have a PoE switch in the same rack as your UDM Pro then having the SE doesn't really make sense.
£350 sounds a bit expensive for the UDM and a bit cheap for the Pro so I think you should check. There is also a new WiFi6 version called the Unifi Dream Router but that isn't rack mounted either.
It is definitely the Pro or Pro SE you want.
ETA: I missed that you said £350 + VAT which sounds about right for the Pro, but I would still check!
this is going in the rack:
USW-Pro-24-POE Ubiquiti UniFi 24 Port PoE Pro Switch
CharlesElliott said:
rewild said:
The UDM is the worst bit of kit Ubiquity has ever made, so get that swapped out for a USG and cloud key or similar if you can.
I wouldn't agree with the second part, I would go for a UDM Pro. The USG is too constrained on performance these days.OP I have that exact setup - including 3 APs for my house.
I can’t fault it, I have 1Gb network and get around 800 on Wi-Fi. The best part I think is the interface you get from the UniFi app so you can see exactly what is going on, once it’s setup it’s so easy to manage which helps if you were to ever get an issue.
I can’t fault it, I have 1Gb network and get around 800 on Wi-Fi. The best part I think is the interface you get from the UniFi app so you can see exactly what is going on, once it’s setup it’s so easy to manage which helps if you were to ever get an issue.
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