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Sarnie

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8,140 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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We are currently looking into this sort of thing, what have you guys got?

What do you have running of it currently?

What systems are recommended?

Any to avoid?

Any recommended supplier/installers in the midlands?

Thanks guys!!

paul.deitch

2,145 posts

263 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Raspi B3+ running Domoticz, Zigbee devices/sensors through Conbee2, 433 Mhz sensors through rfxcom, homebrew Python/ 433 Mhz window blinds controller with RF amp for range through concrete floors. UPS. My view the Rapi works but not really up to the job.

Sarnie

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8,140 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Ok................you are going to have to really dumb that down for me laugh

Scrump

22,793 posts

164 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Amazon echo with smart plugs and bulbs. The basics!

Seventyseven7

971 posts

75 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Sarnie said:
Ok................you are going to have to really dumb that down for me laugh
Philips Hue for lights
Nest for cameras, doorbell, thermostat
Google Home for voice control
Amazon plugs for all automated devices

Sarnie

Original Poster:

8,140 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Seventyseven7 said:
Philips Hue for lights
Nest for cameras, doorbell, thermostat
Google Home for voice control
Amazon plugs for all automated devices
Thanks, will take a look!

Anyone got a Control 4 set up?

m30dus

552 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Got Lutron for lights

Pulse-Eight for HDMI video switching

Sonos for sound

Heatmiser for heating

Synology for file sharing and CCTV recording

DoorBird for doorbell

HikVision for CCTV

Sarnie

Original Poster:

8,140 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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m30dus said:
Got Lutron for lights

Pulse-Eight for HDMI video switching

Sonos for sound

Heatmiser for heating

Synology for file sharing and CCTV recording

DoorBird for doorbell

HikVision for CCTV
Thanks we have some of that already but is there a solution to bring them all under one tablet/software rather than having multiple apps for everything?

Greedydog

918 posts

201 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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It really all depends on what you want to do. If it's just some lights, doorbells etc then the Amazon ecosystem with zigbee devices etc. If you want a more complete system, depending on your technical ability (or willingness to learn) you could go something like Home Assistant (hosted on a PC, RPI, or one of the all in one solutions) or Hubitat.

I use both HA (security cams, contact sensors, temperature / humidity monitoring, central heating with relevant automations) and Hubitat (for Zwave devices and control in an outside garage).

Hardware wise the world is your oyster....


Extech

3 posts

48 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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We recently purchased a house with an old Nikko system & have updated everything to Control 4. It controls: Sound systems, cctv, lighting, tv's, alarm, garage doors, gates & heating.

It was expensive but we had no choice being unable to source parts for the Nikko system ( all of our light switches were wired with CAT 5 cable & quite a few were faulty). I really like the Control 4 system as it enables you to program the lighting any way you like through scenes or timers. You can program a switch in your bedroom that will turn on the hallway light & kitchen lights at low levels for when you go down for your morning coffee or a switch for the ensuite at a low level for when you need the bathroom during the night. I also have the system set up that if the alarm goes off all outside & inside lights come on & the whole place lights up. You can configure most things through the app but I just call my installer & he does it remotely because I haven't got a clue.






Captain_Morgan

1,243 posts

65 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Sarnie said:
We are currently looking into this sort of thing, what have you guys got?

What do you have running of it currently?

What systems are recommended?

Any to avoid?

Any recommended supplier/installers in the midlands?

Thanks guys!!
What are your requirements?

What are you nice to haves?

What don’t you need?

What constraints do you have?

What’s the budget?

How hands on do you expect to be?

m30dus

552 posts

191 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Sarnie said:
Thanks we have some of that already but is there a solution to bring them all under one tablet/software rather than having multiple apps for everything?
The Lutron RA2 allows you to add Sonos control switches alongside the light switches and these can be allocated to zones so that they are room specific.

Everything except the CCTV can be controlled through Amazon Alexa and you can setup specific series of commands such as to close blinds, set a specific lighting scene and switch the HDMI source to a specific input, if you want. In practice the only Alexa command we use frequently is “All Lights Off” at the end of the day.


ARHarh

4,166 posts

113 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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These days I have a home assistant setup. I have plenty of lights and plugs. Temperature monitoring and heating control mostly by home made wifi kit. I also have zigbee door sensors which allows an alarm setup. A weather station monitoring the weather.

With home assistant you can really automate everything. it will handle your music, radio and TV, anything is possible but as with anything this versatile there will be a certain amount of learning and setup, if you think home automation is shouting at Alexa to turn a light on then home assistant is not for you.

For instance I have a shelly button, if I press it once ( or shout a command at google) it checks what time of day it is and switches stuff on depending on time of day, whether it is night or day, who is home, what day it is and whether we have visitors. then depending on the results from that it will turn on lights, turn on radio on multiple speaker around the house, switch on my PC, turn on TV. If you double click this button it will check all those things again and turn of whatever is on and last thing at night it will turn everything off except one bedroom light to allow me to get to bed then 3 minutes later turn that light off.

This is just one example of how I use it.


Griffith4ever

4,599 posts

41 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Samsung smartthings hub as the core.

Smartthings compatible power sockets, light switches, motion sensors etc (ZigBee or zwave).

Logitech harmony for home cinema

Hive for heating

Amazon robovac

Amazon echos all over for voice control of everything above.

Pros / cons / facts

- Smart things is rather simple at 1st but incredibly powerful - gazillions of plugins , many user created.
- almost limitless automation possibilities
- cheap - pretty much everything with either zwave or zigbee support works - I just added a 4 gang power strip with independently addressable ports for under £20
- Full Alexa plug in support, same with heating, robo vac etc.

- Alexa, turn on the lounge lights, or, bed time (turns everything off inc. tv, turns on bed lights etc), "turn off TV" ()more involved that you think as that is also amp, etc), "ask robovac to start cleaning", etc etc
- I have custom routines, so in my workshop, two power outlets have timers on them. When I switch one on "Alexa, turn on teh soldering iron", it will turn the power outlet back OFF after 2 hours - so I can't forget and leave my iron on (I work in there every day). Same with glue gun on 1 hour timer).
- Motion sensor in my external mail room tells me, via voice on alexa, when post man has been. (I despatch a LOT of parcels, and receive lots, for my business)
- Alexa will run voice commands for all Harmony scenes, so "watch movie on the projector" will fire up the home cinema, on all the right outputs, and lower the screen.
- Alexa, set the thermostat to 20 (turns the heating on at 20 degrees).
- Loads more stuff I just can't remember!

Cons -

SmatrThings can be a little slow at times. Sometimes it's instant, sometimes there is a big delay, almost exclusively with the lighting.
SmartThings is very dependent on having an active internet connection. Lose the net and you lose control of all lighting.

I forgot to add, the BIG advantage of using smartthings is the end devices are generic and cheap. You don't need expensive light bulbs etc. You just look for anything with ZigBee or zwave support. Zwave daisy chains tooz so each device also acts as a repeater / range extender. They create their own mesh so each time you add a wall light switch, or a plug in power outlet, you expand the mesh.

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21TonyK

11,811 posts

215 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Very simple, echo dot's in every room. Hive heating with a combination of smartbulbs and wifi relays for some lighting, wifi switches for plugin devices and wifi spurs for heavy stuff (immersion).

shopper150

1,576 posts

200 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Does anyone have Xiaomi hardware at home? How does it perform?

Alorotom

12,107 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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Started out with a load of generic Chinese smart plugs for Christmas lights which worked great.

Now I have:

4x Netatmo Presence security camera/light systems - external
3x Netatmo Indoor cameras
x20 smart plugs (TCP) for all non-hardwired lights, fish tank, etc.
x4 curtain creepers for the living room / kitchen / master bedroom / daughters bedroom
Adapter for the electric garage door
Adapter to make the hot-tub smart
4x AppleTV in all the main rooms (as hubs)
1x iMac Pro (as hub)
4x Google Home Hub screens (as hubs)
3x Amazon Eero 6 mesh router/access-points (which replaced my BT FTTP HomeHub that was rubbish as the smart home stuff with it all mostly operating on 2.4ghz)

I have a load of 'scenes' created for different times of the day/week/month/year based on light levels and who is home.

It was really important to me that the camera/floodlights were accessible by both GoogleHome Hubs and AppleTVs as these are the main monitoring devices whilst at home (app when away)

I wanted all local storage rather than cloud based too.

It all works really together and whilst its not the cheapest (or most expensive) setup its been quite intuitive. My only comment would be that I have numbered all my smart plugs with a sharpie so I know which goes where if/when they are unplugged etc.

The next on the list is the doorbell but im yet to sort this.

eliot

11,701 posts

260 months

Saturday 23rd July 2022
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had home automation for over a decade before it became all prosumer trendy - and that was probably two decades late to the party.
For me, if it doesn’t move then it’s hard wired and nothing relies on anything external to the house (ie cloud or subscription based)

paulrockliffe

15,959 posts

233 months

Monday 25th July 2022
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Slightly controversial view, but all the stuff you can buy off the shelf is compromised and expensive. You'll spend a fortune and eventually you'll end up with some obsolescence because software isn't kept up to date and you'll come up with loads of really obvious things you should be able to do but can't. Then you'll get companies turning their cloud servers off because they're not making any money.

Far better to run one of the Open Source home automation servers and learn how to connect everything into that and have your own control over the software side. Stuff like OpenHAB is developed by people that want this stuff to work which is much better than it being developed by people whose only interest is in selling you some kit, taking the money and moving on to the next thing.

Heartworm

1,931 posts

167 months

Monday 25th July 2022
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paulrockliffe said:
Slightly controversial view, but all the stuff you can buy off the shelf is compromised and expensive. You'll spend a fortune and eventually you'll end up with some obsolescence because software isn't kept up to date and you'll come up with loads of really obvious things you should be able to do but can't. Then you'll get companies turning their cloud servers off because they're not making any money.

Far better to run one of the Open Source home automation servers and learn how to connect everything into that and have your own control over the software side. Stuff like OpenHAB is developed by people that want this stuff to work which is much better than it being developed by people whose only interest is in selling you some kit, taking the money and moving on to the next thing.
The main reason I'm running home assistant, removed the connection to external servers,