Which ISP for FTTP and VOIP?

[TEKNOPUG]

I'm moving to a new build soon that has Open Reach FTTP. Looking at ISPs, there seems little difference in pricing for Ultrafast connections of 100+mbps. I'm keen to junk the landline and go for a VOIP system instead. I'm struggling to find any suitable deals from a single ISP. BT include a phone line rental in there prices (so I'm effectively pay what, £13 a month more than I need to?). BT Business include a VOIP service but not sure if I'm still going to be charged line rental and also, they don't seem keen to port a domestic phone number to a business account.

Others I've looked at are Zen, Plusne and Talk Talk but none of them seem to offer an all inclusive package. I'm happy to go to a business account but he options don't seem any clearer. Can anyone suggest an ISP that will offer Ultrafast, no line rental and a VOIP package? Alternatively, any recommendations for a VOIP provider that are proficient in porting domestic numbers from BT?

[superpp]

we moved to a new build with FTTP and can only have BT for the first 2 years as they paid for the fibre to home connection (deal with the builders).
check if you're in the same situation

[Mr Pointy]

TEKNOPUG said:

I'm moving to a new build soon that has Open Reach FTTP. Looking at ISPs, there seems little difference in pricing for Ultrafast connections of 100+mbps. I'm keen to junk the landline and go for a VOIP system instead. I'm struggling to find any suitable deals from a single ISP. BT include a phone line rental in there prices (so I'm effectively pay what, £13 a month more than I need to?). BT Business include a VOIP service but not sure if I'm still going to be charged line rental and also, they don't seem keen to port a domestic phone number to a business account.

Others I've looked at are Zen, Plusne and Talk Talk but none of them seem to offer an all inclusive package. I'm happy to go to a business account but he options don't seem any clearer. Can anyone suggest an ISP that will offer Ultrafast, no line rental and a VOIP package? Alternatively, any recommendations for a VOIP provider that are proficient in porting domestic numbers from BT?

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

[TEKNOPUG]

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

[S6PNJ]

TEKNOPUG said:

Any recommendations for a VOIP provider that are proficient in porting domestic numbers from BT?

I use a VOIP provider called MISO-Comms who ported my landline number across without any issues. I've been with them since about Oct 2018 with no issues and they are as cheap as chips. Works on my wireless (not 3G/4G) broadband service that runs at 3.0 - 3.5Mbps, so it will have no issues on FTTP. If you go with them, please let me know and I'll give you a code.

[megaphone]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

Do they actually itemise telephone line rental? I thought all prices where all in now. Also does it have a dedicated phone line? I'd expect it all to go down the fibre.

Edited by megaphone on Friday 28th February 14:10

[Mr Pointy]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

So if you sign up with Zen do you think they are going to send someone down from Rochdale to dig up the road & run a fibre in? Of course they aren't. Openreach are responsible for the physical infrastructure (in the vast majority of cases - there are exceptions) & your ISP gets charged by them & that charge is passed on to you. It's called line rental because you're renting the copper/fibre infrastructure; it's got nothing to do with telephones.

[TEKNOPUG]

Mr Pointy said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

So if you sign up with Zen do you think they are going to send someone down from Rochdale to dig up the road & run a fibre in? Of course they aren't. Openreach are responsible for the physical infrastructure (in the vast majority of cases - there are exceptions) & your ISP gets charged by them & that charge is passed on to you. It's called line rental because you're renting the copper/fibre infrastructure; it's got nothing to do with telephones.

You're either illiterate, retarded or a troll. Whatever you are, please stop posting irrelevant junk on this thread.

[TEKNOPUG]

megaphone said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

Do they actually itemise telephone line rental? I thought all prices where all in now. Also does it have a dedicated phone line? I'd expect it all to go down the fibre.

Edited by megaphone on Friday 28th February 14:10

Most ISP prices include telephone line rental so not itemised as such. However, with Zen for example, I can opt to forego a landline and it's £10 per month cheaper. With business contracts, they seem to default to no landline on the assumption that everyone will prefer VOIP. Obviously there will still be a wholesale charge to use a landline that will be charged to the ISP and then back to the customer, even if it's not specifically itemised. So I'd rather pay the £10 a month to a VOIP provider rather than to BT, for something I'm never going to use. There is a dedicated phone line installed.

[TEKNOPUG]

S6PNJ said:

I use a VOIP provider called MISO-Comms who ported my landline number across without any issues. I've been with them since about Oct 2018 with no issues and they are as cheap as chips. Works on my wireless (not 3G/4G) broadband service that runs at 3.0 - 3.5Mbps, so it will have no issues on FTTP. If you go with them, please let me know and I'll give you a code.

I'll take a look thanks. Did you move property of just switch service in the same property?

[S6PNJ]

TEKNOPUG said:

S6PNJ said:

I use a VOIP provider called MISO-Comms who ported my landline number across without any issues. I've been with them since about Oct 2018 with no issues and they are as cheap as chips. Works on my wireless (not 3G/4G) broadband service that runs at 3.0 - 3.5Mbps, so it will have no issues on FTTP. If you go with them, please let me know and I'll give you a code.

I'll take a look thanks. Did you move property of just switch service in the same property?

Switched service in the same property - had been with Plusnet and TalkTalk before hand via 'BT' line.

[megaphone]

TEKNOPUG said:

megaphone said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

Do they actually itemise telephone line rental? I thought all prices where all in now. Also does it have a dedicated phone line? I'd expect it all to go down the fibre.

Edited by megaphone on Friday 28th February 14:10

Most ISP prices include telephone line rental so not itemised as such. However, with Zen for example, I can opt to forego a landline and it's £10 per month cheaper. With business contracts, they seem to default to no landline on the assumption that everyone will prefer VOIP. Obviously there will still be a wholesale charge to use a landline that will be charged to the ISP and then back to the customer, even if it's not specifically itemised. So I'd rather pay the £10 a month to a VOIP provider rather than to BT, for something I'm never going to use. There is a dedicated phone line installed.

If it's got a copper line then it might be cheaper to just go VDSL, will also give you more choice of ISP, do you actually need the the speed of fibre?

[Mr Pointy]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

If there's no line rental who is paying Openreach for the infrastructure to get the signal to your house?

Telephone line rental. I don't want to pay for something I'm not going to use. If I have FTTP and VOIP I have no use for a dedicated telephone line.

So if you sign up with Zen do you think they are going to send someone down from Rochdale to dig up the road & run a fibre in? Of course they aren't. Openreach are responsible for the physical infrastructure (in the vast majority of cases - there are exceptions) & your ISP gets charged by them & that charge is passed on to you. It's called line rental because you're renting the copper/fibre infrastructure; it's got nothing to do with telephones.

You're either illiterate, retarded or a troll. Whatever you are, please stop posting irrelevant junk on this thread.

Here you go genius:
https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...

This is a link to Zen's Business G.Fast FTTP package. It's very clear that even for a business package you need to pay line rental. If you don't pay it to Zen, you need to be paying it to somone else.

I'm not trolling. The fact you can't find a supplier who will supply you without line rental (even if it's hidden/included) should be giving you a clue. However you seem to be slow on the uptake.

[stemll]

Mr Pointy said:

Here you go genius:
https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...

This is a link to Zen's Business G.Fast FTTP package. It's very clear that even for a business package you need to pay line rental. If you don't pay it to Zen, you need to be paying it to somone else.

I'm not trolling. The fact you can't find a supplier who will supply you without line rental (even if it's hidden/included) should be giving you a clue. However you seem to be slow on the uptake.

G.Fast isn't FTTP

[TEKNOPUG]

Mr Pointy said:

Here you go genius:
https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...

This is a link to Zen's Business G.Fast FTTP package. It's very clear that even for a business package you need to pay line rental. If you don't pay it to Zen, you need to be paying it to somone else.

I'm not trolling. The fact you can't find a supplier who will supply you without line rental (even if it's hidden/included) should be giving you a clue. However you seem to be slow on the uptake.

Thanks for your useful input....

[megaphone]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

Here you go genius:
https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...

This is a link to Zen's Business G.Fast FTTP package. It's very clear that even for a business package you need to pay line rental. If you don't pay it to Zen, you need to be paying it to somone else.

I'm not trolling. The fact you can't find a supplier who will supply you without line rental (even if it's hidden/included) should be giving you a clue. However you seem to be slow on the uptake.

Thanks for your useful input....

That looks like standard VDSL not FTTP.

[MattyB_]

Teknopug, Mr Pointy is correct, I think you're confusing the terminology.

You need a copper wire into your house to receive broadband, whether it be ADSL, VDSL or FTTC, (which are the three common types of broadband). These all use the same copper line you'd use for a traditional telephone line. Hence, most providers claim you need to pay "phone line rental" on top of the broadband costs in order to receive a service. Most companies bundle both costs into single monthly payment.

So for FTTC you pay est. £15 a month telephone line rental, then est. £10 on top for broadband connection, totalling £25/month.
VDSL and ADSL are slower, you you might pay £15 a month line rental, then £5 on top for broadband, totalling £20 a month.


Edit - Zen say you can forgo a landline and save £10/month, what medium are they using to provide this 'link' to the house?

Edited by MattyB_ on Friday 28th February 18:23

Edited by MattyB_ on Friday 28th February 18:24

[TEKNOPUG]

TEKNOPUG said:

I'm moving to a new build soon that has Open Reach FTTP. Looking at ISPs, there seems little difference in pricing for Ultrafast connections of 100+mbps.

Which bit of "FTTP" do people not understand???

I have a fibre optic connection to the property. I have no need for a copper phone line.....

[bitchstewie]

Maybe look at AA.

Not cheap but probably do anything you could want.

[TEKNOPUG]

megaphone said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Mr Pointy said:

Here you go genius:
https://www.zen.co.uk/business/small-business/prod...

This is a link to Zen's Business G.Fast FTTP package. It's very clear that even for a business package you need to pay line rental. If you don't pay it to Zen, you need to be paying it to somone else.

I'm not trolling. The fact you can't find a supplier who will supply you without line rental (even if it's hidden/included) should be giving you a clue. However you seem to be slow on the uptake.

Thanks for your useful input....

That looks like standard VDSL not FTTP.

No, that's just the first option which includes the option to have Broadband only in the screen grab. I thought "Full Fibre" may have been a clue.

Here is a further option but doesn't include the "Broadband Only" check box in the screen grab: