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a 2.1 doesnt mean you had a social life, just as a first doesnt make you a geek.
You could spend every hour god sends, workin and studying away, and only get a 2:1, whereas some prodigy is off out partying 24/7 and gets a first just as he is gifted.
First > 2:1 .. anyone who says otherwise has a 2:1 and is jealous
You could spend every hour god sends, workin and studying away, and only get a 2:1, whereas some prodigy is off out partying 24/7 and gets a first just as he is gifted.
First > 2:1 .. anyone who says otherwise has a 2:1 and is jealous
JamieBeeston said:
First > 2:1 .. anyone who says otherwise has a 2:1 and is jealous
Quite right. Grades are exactly that and are worth "what it says on the tin."
But remember:
A degree is essential as a qualification only in certain industries - like education.
In other industries (e.g. Consultancies etc) it is essential in order to get the first job and after that its all track record.
Then there's my industry. Software Development. The kids who join my firm (complete with lovely shiny new degree) are useless for the first year whilst we train them. Their grade indicates only slightly how long it will take to not be useless!
Remember these harsh words when in your first job and make the process of your firm investing in you as pleasant as possible...and your career will flower MUCH earlier I guarantee you.
Best of luck. Work hard. Do as well as you can - and don't worry too much beforehand about what grade you get. Its time enough to worry about that once you've got it - just do as well as you can now...
206xsi said:
However a Desmond (2.2) shows you spent a lot of time down the pub
Not necessarily. I got a 2.2, and I had to work damn hard and all hours to get it (I'm not that bright, and stupidly did an engineering degree).
Agree with Don as well. In fact, an awful lot of the people I have worked with in IT don't have a degree, and are often the better employees. In fact the most useless person where I currently work, has a PHD. He just can't/won't deal with simple everyday stuff (partly because he thinks it is beneath him).
Sparks
In my experience (pharamceuticals and general chemistry related industries) it's usually more important where you did your degree rather than what result you got (as long as you passed of course).
Likewise with any PhD and post-doctoral studies, it's usually more important to a potential employer who you studied with than what you actually studied (as long as it's remotely relevant of course).
And as more and more people now study degrees, differentiation based on the "where and who" will become more and more important for employers to sift the wheat from the chaff.
Likewise with any PhD and post-doctoral studies, it's usually more important to a potential employer who you studied with than what you actually studied (as long as it's remotely relevant of course).
And as more and more people now study degrees, differentiation based on the "where and who" will become more and more important for employers to sift the wheat from the chaff.
interesting... no 
involved! 
obviously not doing it properly..! 
Plotloss said:
There is truth in this.
The big 5, whoever they are now, wont hire people with Firsts. This is because they found that generally speaking people with Firsts were socially inadequate and couldnt communicate as well on the whole as holders of 2:1's
Strange but true by all accounts...
Ermm not true, I work for (and am involved in recruiting process) a Big 4 and although I got 2:1 I work with a lot of people who got 1st's and a couple with 2:2's. Very, very few PhD's (mainly due to communication skills etc.)
A big no-no is living at home while studying as that indicates a lack of impetus to get up and go, even though fiscally it makes sense. OF course all criteria go out of window if candidate comes across as bright and articulate (they must have brought that in after I joined
). when my g/f graduated with a 2:2 and my best mate with a 3rd, they found it a bit harder to get work straight after uni but 3 yrs on they are doing what they want to do.
It really depends on the industry.
One of the things we find hardest to come across are graduates or early job seekers with a bit of "character".
Our biz is Design, Marketing, Media, Adervtising. It needs people with a bit of vavavoom!
Everyone's got degrees these days so for us, it's also about what they are like as a person.
One of the things we find hardest to come across are graduates or early job seekers with a bit of "character".
Our biz is Design, Marketing, Media, Adervtising. It needs people with a bit of vavavoom!
Everyone's got degrees these days so for us, it's also about what they are like as a person.
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