recomend an IT recruitment agency
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talking of which....
am looking for IT managers job in london and there are 5,000000000 agencies - can anyone help trim them down a bit in terms of which ones i should apply to? Is it better to ring them or just send a cv or actually arrange a meeting face to face? Have registered with quite a few but it seems theres thousands of them? any advice would be appreciated thanks.
am looking for IT managers job in london and there are 5,000000000 agencies - can anyone help trim them down a bit in terms of which ones i should apply to? Is it better to ring them or just send a cv or actually arrange a meeting face to face? Have registered with quite a few but it seems theres thousands of them? any advice would be appreciated thanks.
billb said: talking of which....
am looking for IT managers job in london and there are 5,000000000 agencies - can anyone help trim them down a bit in terms of which ones i should apply to? Is it better to ring them or just send a cv or actually arrange a meeting face to face? Have registered with quite a few but it seems theres thousands of them? any advice would be appreciated thanks.
Register with ones that specialise in your skills. If you send a cv to a company ensure that the company thinks you have sent it only to them.
Most companies delete e-mail sent to more than one company, as pay is increasingly only with a placement, if 'everybody' owns your cv (ie 100 recruiting firms), and 'everybody' submits it to an employer, and you get hired, there is a squabble about which recruiter is going to get paid.
tuffer said: Sorry for the Hijack, but could anyone recommend anyone for Security Recruitment?
assuming that you are looking to be recruited:
www.smtdirect.co.uk/index.asp?pubCode=46
SMT have a big recruitment section, there are alot of agencys in there regularly - depends on what line you are looking for in the Security Industry?
Marcos maniac said:
tuffer said: Sorry for the Hijack, but could anyone recommend anyone for Security Recruitment?
assuming that you are looking to be recruited:
www.smtdirect.co.uk/index.asp?pubCode=46
SMT have a big recruitment section, there are alot of agencys in there regularly - depends on what line you are looking for in the Security Industry?
Specialising in IT Security, specifically IDS, Firewalls and penetration testing.
Anyone dealt with these and found one they can recommend? I'm looking for a good one covering development positions in the Herts/Beds/Bucks area.
IME they are all scum. Saturation bomb all of them with your CV and call them up *every* week to make sure they know you're still looking for work, otherwise they'll forget you. Upload your CV to Jobserve as well.
Couldn't agree more. I normally take a couple of weeks out at the end of a contract and then make annoying agencies my full time job! Bombard every job slightly matching your criteria, call the agents, pester them or they'll forget you in a moment. Hasn't failed me yet (but then again I haven't had to look for a while thank god)...
trackdemon said: Couldn't agree more. I normally take a couple of weeks out at the end of a contract and then make annoying agencies my full time job! Bombard every job slightly matching your criteria, call the agents, pester them or they'll forget you in a moment. Hasn't failed me yet (but then again I haven't had to look for a while thank god)...
bet they just love you then
Do not spam them with your CV as it will just be treated like any other spam and be filled. Apply only to specific adds you see on Jobserve/gojobsite/gisajob etc.
If a CV arrives in my in box with Dear Sir / Madame or a general Hi or a list of more than 4 recruiters in the to field I do not read it 9 times out of 10. I just have not got time to read spammed CVs.
Look for agents that specialise in the work you do. They will be easy to spot, as they are the ones with 3+ real looking adds in any one field on jobserve. Then send them your CV and follow up with a phone call. Treat them like humans and try and build some kind or relationship with the ones that sound credible and you like. If a recruiter thinks a) you do value there service b) you are willing to play ball and are serious about finding a job c) are flexible d) have not sent your CV to anyone and everyone they are far more likely to work on your behalf.
When a recruiter does return your call in response to a CV you have sent in. Have a note handy of which recruiters you sent CVs and which agency he works for and what the role was. When you speak to an agent make a note of the role applied for and what was discussed.
It makes a far better impression if you can talk to a recruiter about a job and remember speaking to them last year rather than have the recruiter have to "remind you" about a job you only applied for 24 hours before. If you are involved in project management / sales a recruiter will be expecting you to be able to remember who they are and which roles were applied for when.
Golden rule - Do not apply for the same job twice through the same recruiter.
Happens all the time, you get CV speak to the candidate brief on role agree the candidate is suited and will be put forward.
Two days latter the same candidate applies for the same role through the same advert or different one sometime with the same reference and sending you the same "standard email". These things with have an agent bin your CV in minutes.
Do call the agent and trade information. If you do know about jobs that other agents have told you about use this to your advantage. Trade with it. If you are known as someone who passes info along the agents will be very keen to speak to you whenever you call. Only pass this info on to the agents you like and are working for you. It will not go un noticed and they you will be kept in mind. Make referrals and try to build relationships with "good" agents even when you are not looking for work as when you are those agents will go the extra mile for you.
Do not send you CV to the same agent every week/day/month. Make a list of who has your CV and when it was sent. Appear organised. If I receive a CV and think "I recognise that name" all I do is hit from in Outlook and I can see every mail from that address. If I have received the CV "spam" before (mostly even the same mail, just resend) I delete it without opening it. I am to busy working with the organised and professional candidates that behave in the manner described in this post.
I hope this information helps. I know recruiters are not everyone’s favourite people all the time, but I hope this helps you to get on their good side and get them working for you!
Sam
If a CV arrives in my in box with Dear Sir / Madame or a general Hi or a list of more than 4 recruiters in the to field I do not read it 9 times out of 10. I just have not got time to read spammed CVs.
Look for agents that specialise in the work you do. They will be easy to spot, as they are the ones with 3+ real looking adds in any one field on jobserve. Then send them your CV and follow up with a phone call. Treat them like humans and try and build some kind or relationship with the ones that sound credible and you like. If a recruiter thinks a) you do value there service b) you are willing to play ball and are serious about finding a job c) are flexible d) have not sent your CV to anyone and everyone they are far more likely to work on your behalf.
When a recruiter does return your call in response to a CV you have sent in. Have a note handy of which recruiters you sent CVs and which agency he works for and what the role was. When you speak to an agent make a note of the role applied for and what was discussed.
It makes a far better impression if you can talk to a recruiter about a job and remember speaking to them last year rather than have the recruiter have to "remind you" about a job you only applied for 24 hours before. If you are involved in project management / sales a recruiter will be expecting you to be able to remember who they are and which roles were applied for when.
Golden rule - Do not apply for the same job twice through the same recruiter.
Happens all the time, you get CV speak to the candidate brief on role agree the candidate is suited and will be put forward.
Two days latter the same candidate applies for the same role through the same advert or different one sometime with the same reference and sending you the same "standard email". These things with have an agent bin your CV in minutes.
Do call the agent and trade information. If you do know about jobs that other agents have told you about use this to your advantage. Trade with it. If you are known as someone who passes info along the agents will be very keen to speak to you whenever you call. Only pass this info on to the agents you like and are working for you. It will not go un noticed and they you will be kept in mind. Make referrals and try to build relationships with "good" agents even when you are not looking for work as when you are those agents will go the extra mile for you.
Do not send you CV to the same agent every week/day/month. Make a list of who has your CV and when it was sent. Appear organised. If I receive a CV and think "I recognise that name" all I do is hit from in Outlook and I can see every mail from that address. If I have received the CV "spam" before (mostly even the same mail, just resend) I delete it without opening it. I am to busy working with the organised and professional candidates that behave in the manner described in this post.
I hope this information helps. I know recruiters are not everyone’s favourite people all the time, but I hope this helps you to get on their good side and get them working for you!
Sam
Sorry, but IME, and I was a contractor for 11 years and have been a permie for 9 now, and regularly recruit, agencies combine all the least competent and desirable attributes of double glazing, British Gas and second-hand car salesmen with all the least competent and desirable attributes of ambulance chasing lawyers. Even if you do all the things you suggest, you will *still* be treated to a staggering display of incompetence and arrogance by ignorant "Darren's" with gelled hair and odd spectacles. And it appears to make little or no difference whether you're buying or selling. Good staff agencies are like rocking horse poo... And the rest of them are just poo.
zumbruk said: Sorry, but IME, and I was a contractor for 11 years and have been a permie for 9 now, and regularly recruit, agencies combine all the least competent and desirable attributes of double glazing, British Gas and second-hand car salesmen with all the least competent and desirable attributes of ambulance chasing lawyers. Even if you do all the things you suggest, you will *still* be treated to a staggering display of incompetence and arrogance by ignorant "Darren's" with gelled hair and odd spectacles. And it appears to make little or no difference whether you're buying or selling. Good staff agencies are like rocking horse poo... And the rest of them are just poo.
to true!
zumbruk said: Sorry, but IME, and I was a contractor for 11 years and have been a permie for 9 now, and regularly recruit, agencies combine all the least competent and desirable attributes of double glazing, British Gas and second-hand car salesmen with all the least competent and desirable attributes of ambulance chasing lawyers. Even if you do all the things you suggest, you will *still* be treated to a staggering display of incompetence and arrogance by ignorant "Darren's" with gelled hair and odd spectacles. And it appears to make little or no difference whether you're buying or selling. Good staff agencies are like rocking horse poo... And the rest of them are just poo.
We're not all called Darren, with gelled hair and odd specs (apart from Fourwheeldrift that is !!)...
So if you have so much experience of dealing with IT Recruiters why not divulge a bit of what you know instead of all the irrelavent shite you've posted above, let the original poster know who a good one is, then maybe, just maybe a few people may not have such narrow opinions of what recruiters are ALLEGEDLY like ...
>> Edited by Hughesie2 on Thursday 29th May 15:18
Hughesie2 said:
We're not all called Darren, with gelled hair and odd specs (apart from Fourwheeldrift that is !!)...
>> Edited by Hughesie2 on Thursday 29th May 15:18
Well apart from being called Darren the rest is wrong
I'd actually rather chew my own foot off than work in IT recruitment.
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 29th May 21:38
Edited coz I can't be arsed with prick5 who know little or less about the recruitment industry but like to bad mouth and stir things up.
Funny how everyone is really cool, successful and hard on the Internet.
I will not help or try to help anyone else who has recruitment related questions on PH as I am tired of people with little to say using them as an opportunity to insult.
>> Edited by samn01 on Thursday 29th May 22:01
Funny how everyone is really cool, successful and hard on the Internet.
I will not help or try to help anyone else who has recruitment related questions on PH as I am tired of people with little to say using them as an opportunity to insult.
>> Edited by samn01 on Thursday 29th May 22:01
I have only met one good one in 2 years and she has now decided to get out of the business (after 16 years) as she is so disheartened by the ethics of other agencies.
If anyone requires staff I will be glad to pass on your details, if you are looking for a job in IT then I may be able to pass on your details if she changes her mind.
If anyone requires staff I will be glad to pass on your details, if you are looking for a job in IT then I may be able to pass on your details if she changes her mind.
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