Landfill Tax increase
Discussion
Is anyone else here in the waste disposal/skip hire business?
Landfill tax in April 2025 is to rise by 21.6% (£103.70 to £126.15) the single biggest increase since the taxes inception in 1996.
I think this is going to be a blow for a lot of firms dealing in waste disposal, in particular the smaller enterprises.
Landfill tax in April 2025 is to rise by 21.6% (£103.70 to £126.15) the single biggest increase since the taxes inception in 1996.
I think this is going to be a blow for a lot of firms dealing in waste disposal, in particular the smaller enterprises.
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
StevieBee said:
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
Somewhatfoolish said:
StevieBee said:
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
ds.Waste disposal could be free but is easier to dump it round the back of an industrial estate or country lane.
If they could be bothered to do a bit of separation, they'd find that some of what they've got could actually be sold. But they don't. Because they're lazy b
ds.StevieBee said:
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
StevieBee said:
Negligible to none.
I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
So has fly tipping not gone up in recent years?I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
StevieBee said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
StevieBee said:
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
ds.Waste disposal could be free but is easier to dump it round the back of an industrial estate or country lane.
If they could be bothered to do a bit of separation, they'd find that some of what they've got could actually be sold. But they don't. Because they're lazy b
ds.d, this rings 100% true to me 
Fortunately I'm also a hoarder as well...
ben5575 said:
StevieBee said:
Negligible to none.
I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
So has fly tipping not gone up in recent years?I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
The figures though, are a little abstract because there's a difference in how one local authority classifies fly tipping from another. For example, in Redbridge, they have a no side-waste rule for residual waste. If someone puts a bag next to the wheelie bin, that's classified as fly-tipping whereas another council would consider it as 'service contravention' with different reporting and penalties applied.
Also, fly tipping penalties are reported as being 25% down in some areas. But it's not clear if this is because there's 25% less fly-tipping or that those council's aren't as robust with enforcement as they once were.
The general consensus is that fly-tipping is no better or no worse than it's been for a long while.
StevieBee said:
mcflurry said:
I always wonder how much fly tipping goes up when the prices go up, which then costs the councils more money to fix..
Negligible to none.I'm the Chair of a Special Experts Group on Behaviour Change at the Chartered Institute of Wastes Management. This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres. A great many studies have been done on the effect of service changes and disposal costs on the level of fly-tipping. These are both UK and overseas studies. The conclusion is that if you are someone prone to fly-tip, you'll continue to fly tip until you are caught. If you're not, the outcome is that you moan a bit and occasionally post a comment on social media that fly-tipping will increase. But it doesn't.
Our local tip seems half empty, where it used to be busy. They seem to actively want to stop you using it. Last time I went I forgot to drop some batteries off. I tried driving back in but they refused to let me recycle them, even though I had to drive right past the box again. IIRC there was one other car on the whole site.
98elise said:
Our local tip seems half empty, where it used to be busy.
That could be down to the number of cars they allow in each slot. As slots fill, the load will be spread out over the day rather than a big splurge.What might encourage more fly tipping is not the booking system but the reduction in things the tips will take. Mine now has quite a list of things they don't take, and you're expected to do a 22 mile trip to the next tip. 15 years ago I was able to take the wreckage of my old bathroom there, but not any more.
Booking tip slots here (Carlisle) for domestic disposal isn’t necessary.
Pretty much everything accepted, including asbestos. All free, only issue is no commercial waste and if you have a van you need a permit. Council also offers bulk collection/disposal for up to 6 large items for 30 quid. And they’re not too restrictive - when I moved into my current house there was a horrible 6 part modular sofa and they classed it as a single item, as well as allowing a further 5 items.
From only my own evidence, there is a lot less fly tipping round here than there was in the 80’s/90’s. Yes, it does occur, but tends to be commercial looking stuff rather than someone saying ‘sod it, I’ll lob the old sofa in this lay-by’.
Pretty much everything accepted, including asbestos. All free, only issue is no commercial waste and if you have a van you need a permit. Council also offers bulk collection/disposal for up to 6 large items for 30 quid. And they’re not too restrictive - when I moved into my current house there was a horrible 6 part modular sofa and they classed it as a single item, as well as allowing a further 5 items.
From only my own evidence, there is a lot less fly tipping round here than there was in the 80’s/90’s. Yes, it does occur, but tends to be commercial looking stuff rather than someone saying ‘sod it, I’ll lob the old sofa in this lay-by’.
StevieBee said:
This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres.
That was introduced during covid here, so I assumed it was a social distancing thing that would be canned later.What's the rationale for keeping it going? It seems to take up one staff member pretty much full time at each tip, checking cars as they come in.
silentbrown said:
StevieBee said:
This is a topic that comes up a lot, most recently when councils begun to require you to book to access household recycling and waste centres.
That was introduced during covid here, so I assumed it was a social distancing thing that would be canned later.What's the rationale for keeping it going? It seems to take up one staff member pretty much full time at each tip, checking cars as they come in.
As for tip-booking slots, some of it may be down to psychology - in other words, if you can get the internet involved, and especially an app, in what was previously a perfectly simple process, then you'll do it because 'everybody loves apps'.
Thin White Duke said:
Is anyone else here in the waste disposal/skip hire business?
Landfill tax in April 2025 is to rise by 21.6% (£103.70 to £126.15) the single biggest increase since the taxes inception in 1996.
I think this is going to be a blow for a lot of firms dealing in waste disposal, in particular the smaller enterprises.
Is there really that much going to landfill anymore? Back when I was regularly working in waste planning there simply weren't the receipts to keep a lot of landfill sites barely operational, so many operators were mothballing and consolidating sites, with the only notable inputs being inert waste such as soils and rubble. And that's before you got to them trying to secure "extensions of life" of the sites' planning consents, and the extent of objections and political resistance to such.Landfill tax in April 2025 is to rise by 21.6% (£103.70 to £126.15) the single biggest increase since the taxes inception in 1996.
I think this is going to be a blow for a lot of firms dealing in waste disposal, in particular the smaller enterprises.
98elise said:
Since the introduction of booking tip slots has recycling gone down?
Our local tip seems half empty, where it used to be busy. They seem to actively want to stop you using it. Last time I went I forgot to drop some batteries off. I tried driving back in but they refused to let me recycle them, even though I had to drive right past the box again. IIRC there was one other car on the whole site.
Possibly going against the grain but I like the booking idea.Our local tip seems half empty, where it used to be busy. They seem to actively want to stop you using it. Last time I went I forgot to drop some batteries off. I tried driving back in but they refused to let me recycle them, even though I had to drive right past the box again. IIRC there was one other car on the whole site.
There used to be a queue at the dump, whereas now you can drive in and out in a few minutes.
What I would like is for the council to allow same day bookings, if there's space..
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