Ltd Business Overdraft Increase

Ltd Business Overdraft Increase

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sagarich

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

156 months

Friday 21st June
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Ltd has been trading 11 years and had a 5k overdraft facility from day one.

Past 6 months have been very tough with late paying clients. To help aid cashflow I've requested an increase to 10k OD.

Given our good history will Lloyds, I've been surprised by the hoops we've been asked to jump through.

In the past 2 weeks I've spent nearly 5 hours on the phone to them making the application.

I've now been told that all Directors will need to make a personal guarantee on the overdraft.

Just wondering if this is normal or they deem us a risk?


sagarich

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

156 months

Friday 21st June
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TLDR - Directors personal guarantee on Ltd overdraft, is this normal?

TownIdiot

1,638 posts

6 months

Friday 21st June
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sagarich said:
TLDR - Directors personal guarantee on Ltd overdraft, is this normal?
Yes

Don't do it unless you are absolutely, positively sure it's a short term issue.

sagarich

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

156 months

Friday 21st June
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TownIdiot said:
Yes

Don't do it unless you are absolutely, positively sure it's a short term issue.
Thanks, I'm not overly confident that it is a short term issue. Good to know.

TownIdiot

1,638 posts

6 months

Friday 21st June
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sagarich said:
Thanks, I'm not overly confident that it is a short term issue. Good to know.
Then it's a question of whether you will be able to pay it back easily, as they will expect you to.

andy_ran

679 posts

200 months

Friday 21st June
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Banks don't support business ever especially with over drafts

If you have a good trading history get something like an Amex business card - much better credit and no directors guarantees needed normally

In context, I business bank with HSBC, company has good cash balance, 30+ staff etc - HSBC max lending was 20k without directors Guarantees. I have a rolling 200k credit with American Express with none

sagarich

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

156 months

Friday 21st June
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andy_ran said:
Banks don't support business ever especially with over drafts

If you have a good trading history get something like an Amex business card - much better credit and no directors guarantees needed normally

In context, I business bank with HSBC, company has good cash balance, 30+ staff etc - HSBC max lending was 20k without directors Guarantees. I have a rolling 200k credit with American Express with none
Brilliant suggestion, thanks I shall investigate over the weekend.

LuckyThirteen

625 posts

26 months

Saturday 22nd June
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What are the interest rates like nowadays on business overdrafts?

strees

7 posts

251 months

Saturday 22nd June
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If, and I stress IF, you do need to provide a PG, have a look at Guarantee Insurance.

dave123456

2,824 posts

154 months

Saturday 22nd June
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sagarich said:
TownIdiot said:
Yes

Don't do it unless you are absolutely, positively sure it's a short term issue.
Thanks, I'm not overly confident that it is a short term issue. Good to know.
So you’re not overly confident yourself but you’re grumbling the bank are being too cautious?!

ClaphamGT3

11,527 posts

250 months

Saturday 22nd June
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strees said:
If, and I stress IF, you do need to provide a PG, have a look at Guarantee Insurance.
Agree with this and also look at the T&Cs super-carefully

drdel

440 posts

135 months

Saturday 22nd June
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Do forget a "a joint and several" guarantee by directors mean the lender can come after anyone for ALL the debt loan, it is not divided equally.

Ziplobb

1,410 posts

291 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Apply for a Capital on Tap card. I wanted it to collect Avios BUT it took minutes to approve with a £35k limit. I had to give HSBC a guarantee for a £10k ‘business card’ that needs to be cleared each month. The app is easy somit can be used to pay invoices or transfer to your current account.

Rufus Stone

8,227 posts

63 months

Sunday 23rd June
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sagarich said:
Ltd has been trading 11 years and had a 5k overdraft facility from day one.

Past 6 months have been very tough with late paying clients. To help aid cashflow I've requested an increase to 10k OD.

Given our good history will Lloyds, I've been surprised by the hoops we've been asked to jump through.

In the past 2 weeks I've spent nearly 5 hours on the phone to them making the application.

I've now been told that all Directors will need to make a personal guarantee on the overdraft.

Just wondering if this is normal or they deem us a risk?
Can the Directors really not come up with £5000 to lend to the business?

AB

17,407 posts

202 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Ziplobb said:
Apply for a Capital on Tap card. I wanted it to collect Avios BUT it took minutes to approve with a £35k limit. I had to give HSBC a guarantee for a £10k ‘business card’ that needs to be cleared each month. The app is easy somit can be used to pay invoices or transfer to your current account.
I just went through this process too, mainly for Avios but also for the times when suppliers don't take AMEX.

Simple process, account opened instantly.

rallye101

2,218 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd June
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AB said:
I just went through this process too, mainly for Avios but also for the times when suppliers don't take AMEX.

Simple process, account opened instantly.
This needs a personal guarantee!!!

AB

17,407 posts

202 months

Sunday 23rd June
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rallye101 said:
AB said:
I just went through this process too, mainly for Avios but also for the times when suppliers don't take AMEX.

Simple process, account opened instantly.
This needs a personal guarantee!!!
I don't remember going through that process and it was only a couple of months ago (after numerous letters in the post offering me one) but maybe I'm losing the plot. Either way, PG wasn't/isn't an issue for us.

sagarich

Original Poster:

1,245 posts

156 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Thanks for all the responses.

PG and loaning 5k isn’t an issue for myself but is for the other Director.

Don’t really want to go into too much detail on public forum, but just looking at all options.

lizardbrain

2,465 posts

44 months

Sunday 23rd June
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I had a give a personal guarantee for the working days processing time for paying a Bacs! That’s like a mini 3 day overdraft

Banks don’t like giving small ltds credit they can go bust in a minute

TownIdiot

1,638 posts

6 months

Sunday 23rd June
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sagarich said:
Thanks for all the responses.

PG and loaning 5k isn’t an issue for myself but is for the other Director.

Don’t really want to go into too much detail on public forum, but just looking at all options.
If you think the business can survive then would you consider lending the money yourself with a proper agreement?
It could give you a bit more control of the business as you navigate choppy waters.