Reimbursing gift purchase of illegal substance

Reimbursing gift purchase of illegal substance

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Pistom

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5,900 posts

174 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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I'm wondering how I should deal with a situation if it ever arose where one of our salespeople purchased some form of illegal substance to the value of say £20 to give to a customer?
How should it be presented on their expense form and how would we legitimise the reimbursement?
What's our liability as a company - if that ever happened?
We obviously don't condone illegal activity so we'd obviously deal with disciplinary aspect but wouldn't want the employee to be out of pocket.

colin_p

4,503 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Go directly to jail; do not pass go, do not collect £200.

SAS Tom

3,666 posts

189 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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What business are you in where an employee would be in a position that the only choice of gift is illegal substances? Or that they feel that would be a suitable gift from business to business?

Why are you even concerned about the employee being out of pocket for buying drugs?

Aunty Pasty

782 posts

53 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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The things sales people need to resort to in order to get a sale these days. Must be hard times. In my day I was happy with a little furry ball with googly eyes stuck on it.

the-norseman

14,246 posts

186 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Business owner trying to work out how he can claim his charlie as expenses.

DanL

6,526 posts

280 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
I'm wondering how I should deal with a situation if it ever arose where one of our salespeople purchased some form of illegal substance to the value of say £20 to give to a customer?
How should it be presented on their expense form and how would we legitimise the reimbursement?
What's our liability as a company - if that ever happened?
We obviously don't condone illegal activity so we'd obviously deal with disciplinary aspect but wouldn't want the employee to be out of pocket.
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).

Voldemort

6,873 posts

293 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Provided he can give you a VAT receipt it should be fine.

LaterLosers

953 posts

88 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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DanL said:
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).
It would put quite a few drug dealers and titty bars out of business in London if that was the case.

DanL

6,526 posts

280 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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LaterLosers said:
DanL said:
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).
It would put quite a few drug dealers and titty bars out of business in London if that was the case.
It is the case at the company I work for, and if anyone’s still taking a client to a strip club in the 2020’s then I’ll be amazed. I’m also clearly in the wrong industry. biggrin

fridaypassion

10,113 posts

243 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pretty sure that was a taxi that 20 quid but he forgot to get a receipt wink

Evolved

3,895 posts

202 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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WTF am I reading. I’d not be reimbursing anything!

Equus

16,980 posts

116 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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DanL said:
... if anyone’s still taking a client to a strip club in the 2020’s then I’ll be amazed. I’m also clearly in the wrong industry. biggrin
A groundworks contractor I could name in Exeter certainly does so - and puts it through on expenses.

As to the OP's question, if an employee handed me an expenses claim for purchasing an illegal substance for a client, I'd reciprocate by handing him his P45.

hyperblue

2,833 posts

195 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Some balls to put that on expenses, are they an MP?

I’d be expecting a warning if I tried that at my work!

Pistom

Original Poster:

5,900 posts

174 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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All great responses as usual here, particularly the one about my comment being contradictory. I agree and have difficulty with that myself as we try operate a non judgemental policy.

But I'm going off thread.

It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.

Obviously there's other gifts they could choose.


Puzzles

2,870 posts

126 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Gross it up and add to their pay.

the-norseman

14,246 posts

186 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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The truth is you don't reimburse them.

If I was to gift a customer/contractor at work something illegal, I'd be sacked.

juggsy

1,483 posts

145 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.
I must be due a parrot here, why do you feel the need to reimburse something they’re not entitled to have reimbursed? What a strange mentality.

Equus

16,980 posts

116 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.
Simple: you don't

And if you do, I suspect you would be guiilty of some sort of offence of dealing in the illegal substance yourself (you would, after all, be funding its procurement).

Equus

16,980 posts

116 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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juggsy said:
I must be due a parrot here, why do you feel the need to reimburse something they’re not entitled to have reimbursed? What a strange mentality.
The other obvious question is why the juddering fk did they think it would be even slightly appropriate or acceptable to buy such an item for a client?
What sort of an outfit are you running that makes employees think that this is a sensible thing to do?

Pistom

Original Poster:

5,900 posts

174 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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My question has been answered now thanks everyone.

In response to those saying they'd be sacked, yes in the real world that's what would probably happen and I did say we'd deal with the disciplinary aspect but the difficulty comes when you try to have a non judgemental policy and the employee uses the gift to leverage high levels of business.

As someone said above, the expense policy needs to be more robust.