Reimbursing gift purchase of illegal substance

Reimbursing gift purchase of illegal substance

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Pistom

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5,533 posts

165 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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I'm wondering how I should deal with a situation if it ever arose where one of our salespeople purchased some form of illegal substance to the value of say £20 to give to a customer?
How should it be presented on their expense form and how would we legitimise the reimbursement?
What's our liability as a company - if that ever happened?
We obviously don't condone illegal activity so we'd obviously deal with disciplinary aspect but wouldn't want the employee to be out of pocket.

colin_p

4,503 posts

218 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Go directly to jail; do not pass go, do not collect £200.

SAS Tom

3,520 posts

180 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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What business are you in where an employee would be in a position that the only choice of gift is illegal substances? Or that they feel that would be a suitable gift from business to business?

Why are you even concerned about the employee being out of pocket for buying drugs?

Aunty Pasty

685 posts

44 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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The things sales people need to resort to in order to get a sale these days. Must be hard times. In my day I was happy with a little furry ball with googly eyes stuck on it.

the-norseman

13,204 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Business owner trying to work out how he can claim his charlie as expenses.

DanL

6,404 posts

271 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
I'm wondering how I should deal with a situation if it ever arose where one of our salespeople purchased some form of illegal substance to the value of say £20 to give to a customer?
How should it be presented on their expense form and how would we legitimise the reimbursement?
What's our liability as a company - if that ever happened?
We obviously don't condone illegal activity so we'd obviously deal with disciplinary aspect but wouldn't want the employee to be out of pocket.
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).

Voldemort

6,509 posts

284 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Provided he can give you a VAT receipt it should be fine.

LaterLosers

952 posts

79 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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DanL said:
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).
It would put quite a few drug dealers and titty bars out of business in London if that was the case.

DanL

6,404 posts

271 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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LaterLosers said:
DanL said:
How you deal with it is by making sure it doesn’t arise. Your expenses policy should set out what isn’t an acceptable expense, and that should include the purchase of anything illegal (and probably anything immoral, if you want to go down that route).
It would put quite a few drug dealers and titty bars out of business in London if that was the case.
It is the case at the company I work for, and if anyone’s still taking a client to a strip club in the 2020’s then I’ll be amazed. I’m also clearly in the wrong industry. biggrin

fridaypassion

9,166 posts

234 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pretty sure that was a taxi that 20 quid but he forgot to get a receipt wink

Evolved

3,644 posts

193 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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WTF am I reading. I’d not be reimbursing anything!

Equus

16,980 posts

107 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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DanL said:
... if anyone’s still taking a client to a strip club in the 2020’s then I’ll be amazed. I’m also clearly in the wrong industry. biggrin
A groundworks contractor I could name in Exeter certainly does so - and puts it through on expenses.

As to the OP's question, if an employee handed me an expenses claim for purchasing an illegal substance for a client, I'd reciprocate by handing him his P45.

hyperblue

2,813 posts

186 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Some balls to put that on expenses, are they an MP?

I’d be expecting a warning if I tried that at my work!

Pistom

Original Poster:

5,533 posts

165 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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All great responses as usual here, particularly the one about my comment being contradictory. I agree and have difficulty with that myself as we try operate a non judgemental policy.

But I'm going off thread.

It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.

Obviously there's other gifts they could choose.


Puzzles

2,273 posts

117 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Gross it up and add to their pay.

the-norseman

13,204 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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The truth is you don't reimburse them.

If I was to gift a customer/contractor at work something illegal, I'd be sacked.

juggsy

1,442 posts

136 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.
I must be due a parrot here, why do you feel the need to reimburse something they’re not entitled to have reimbursed? What a strange mentality.

Equus

16,980 posts

107 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Pistom said:
It's a hypothetical question which boils down to how do you reimburse someone who's done something illegal and what's the consequences of doing so.
Simple: you don't

And if you do, I suspect you would be guiilty of some sort of offence of dealing in the illegal substance yourself (you would, after all, be funding its procurement).

Equus

16,980 posts

107 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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juggsy said:
I must be due a parrot here, why do you feel the need to reimburse something they’re not entitled to have reimbursed? What a strange mentality.
The other obvious question is why the juddering fk did they think it would be even slightly appropriate or acceptable to buy such an item for a client?
What sort of an outfit are you running that makes employees think that this is a sensible thing to do?

Pistom

Original Poster:

5,533 posts

165 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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My question has been answered now thanks everyone.

In response to those saying they'd be sacked, yes in the real world that's what would probably happen and I did say we'd deal with the disciplinary aspect but the difficulty comes when you try to have a non judgemental policy and the employee uses the gift to leverage high levels of business.

As someone said above, the expense policy needs to be more robust.