Dealing with an employee who is absent multiple times a year

Dealing with an employee who is absent multiple times a year

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Tomanybikes

Original Poster:

987 posts

33 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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As per title has anyone had any experience with dealing with an employee who is off numerous times a year especially with the 7 day self certification.

Terminator X

16,350 posts

211 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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If less than 2 years employed just let them go.

TX.

HappyMidget

6,788 posts

122 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Terminator X said:
If less than 2 years employed just let them go.

TX.
Are you saying they should be Terminated?

Fast and Spurious

1,565 posts

95 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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FWIW

3,169 posts

104 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Terminator X said:
If less than 2 years employed just let them go.

TX.
If more than 2-years, manage them out.
(Unless protected characteristics frown )

Sunday Drive

222 posts

27 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Yes.

If < 2 years service, the process is simple to exit (if that’s your aim).

If > 2 years service then you should follow your company procedure (typically laid out in your handbook).

Have you met with the employee to discuss the reason for the absences? Are there any disabilities or protected characteristics at play?

More info needed!

craigjm

18,484 posts

207 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Terminator X said:
If less than 2 years employed just let them go.

TX.
Dangerous advice if you don’t have the context. If the employee is disabled, and it’s a wider definition than most people realise, then dismissing someone with less than two years service will still find you in court fighting an unfair dismissal claim. Even if that is not the case then the dismissal may still be unsafe on grounds of sex or age.

OP…. If you are employed by an organisation they should have a sick absence policy that, if followed correctly, would make any dismissal safe assuming it is lawful.

Look for patterns in the absence, it is always Mondays and Fridays for instance? Look for patterns in the reasons. Conduct return to work interviews every time they return and let them know they are being monitored while offering support.

If it’s evident they are taking the piss then the two year question does make it easier to dismiss if they haven’t got two years service and don’t have a disability or grounds around sex or age.


secret_stu

61 posts

47 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Not specifically faced that myself, but have you looked at Bradford Scoring?

Tomanybikes

Original Poster:

987 posts

33 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Sunday Drive said:
Yes.

If < 2 years service, the process is simple to exit (if that’s your aim).

If > 2 years service then you should follow your company procedure (typically laid out in your handbook).

Have you met with the employee to discuss the reason for the absences? Are there any disabilities or protected characteristics at play?

More info needed!
Yes, numerous issues sore throats being the favourite probably caused by huge amounts of alcohol.
I’ve been told I can ask for medical proof due to the amount of times she is off even if it’s under the 7 days?

craigjm

18,484 posts

207 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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secret_stu said:
Not specifically faced that myself, but have you looked at Bradford Scoring?
Again this needs to be approached with caution because you can end up with employees getting a high score for factors like disability as I mention above and then a response of “well they got a high Bradford score” would be frowned upon by a tribunal. It’s a useful indicator but should not be used in the modern world in the way it was designed to be used when it was created 40 years ago

craigjm

18,484 posts

207 months

Tuesday 31st January 2023
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Tomanybikes said:
Yes, numerous issues sore throats being the favourite probably caused by huge amounts of alcohol.
I’ve been told I can ask for medical proof due to the amount of times she is off even if it’s under the 7 days?
Told by whom?

Please clarify for us if you are running your own business or if you are a manager within a company where you are an employee? How long has this person worked in the company?

Terminator X

16,350 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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HappyMidget said:
Terminator X said:
If less than 2 years employed just let them go.

TX.
Are you saying they should be Terminated?
It took me a moment to be fair rofl

TX.

skedaddle

153 posts

28 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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long covid?

trickywoo

12,315 posts

237 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Phone them up regularly during normal work hours to check how they are because you are a caring employer.

Most people would get bored of that and put their notice in if they are malingering.

Alex Z

1,513 posts

83 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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There’s nothing to say whether these absences appear legitimate or you suspect are skiving.

Other than the absences, are they a good and valued team member?

What size is the business and how easy is it to work without them or find a replacement.

There’s so many factors that it’s impossible to give a clear answer.

Zarco

18,497 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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skedaddle said:
long covid?
Yeah right.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

115 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Do you have back to work meetings after the absences?

We have a policy that if someone is off 3 times in 3 months we’ll have a meeting to discuss any problems and make sure we’re aware of any ongoing health problems.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,609 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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My assistant kept taking the pee with absence (drink related).

I helped him all I could, but eventually he broke me. It went something like this:

Steve enters the room and starts removing jacket.

Me: "Steve, before you take your jacket off.."
Steve: "Yes?"
Me: "Feck off & don't come back"
Steve: "I thought you might say that"
Me: "Bye"

Easy really.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

115 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
My assistant kept taking the pee with absence (drink related).

I helped him all I could, but eventually he broke me. It went something like this:

Steve enters the room and starts removing jacket.

Me: "Steve, before you take your jacket off.."
Steve: "Yes?"
Me: "Feck off & don't come back"
Steve: "I thought you might say that"
Me: "Bye"

Easy really.
Yeah people who take the piss know they're taking the piss and will be expecting the rug to be pulled at some point.

Ham_and_Jam

2,567 posts

104 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
My assistant kept taking the pee with absence (drink related).

I helped him all I could, but eventually he broke me. It went something like this:

Steve enters the room and starts removing jacket.

Me: "Steve, before you take your jacket off.."
Steve: "Yes?"
Me: "Feck off & don't come back"
Steve: "I thought you might say that"
Me: "Bye"

Easy really.
It doesn’t go like that with an employee who knows how to play the game.