Anyone had a CJRS Compliance check?
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We've had a letter from HMRC for a CJRS (Furlough Scheme) compliance check. They want the moon on a stick by 4th October. I've sent the letter to the accountant and our payroll provider, who are on it pull out the required information.
It's going to be so many records, bank statements, payslips, pension provider statements, and they want it all supplied by email!!
Some leading questions such as 'Are you sure you included this on the RTI submissions etc?'......
I see it's a 'campaign'. I know they run these from time to time.
Anyone had similar ?
We've had a letter from HMRC for a CJRS (Furlough Scheme) compliance check. They want the moon on a stick by 4th October. I've sent the letter to the accountant and our payroll provider, who are on it pull out the required information.
It's going to be so many records, bank statements, payslips, pension provider statements, and they want it all supplied by email!!
Some leading questions such as 'Are you sure you included this on the RTI submissions etc?'......
I see it's a 'campaign'. I know they run these from time to time.
Anyone had similar ?
How many staff are on your payroll? Did you (or your accountant) go back and amend any past claims? HMRC simply don't have the resources to perform 'random' compliance checks for this, therefore something would have triggered it. Thousands of staff were taken away from their usual duties and thrown onto Covid duties rather than recruiting new workers to deal with it.
You can usually contact the compliance officer (or at least their department) and kindly request a little more time to gather the required info, and they are usually agreeable but if your accountant is organised and you are honest then it's not going to be a problem at all providing past payslips and bank statements etc.
Good luck.
You can usually contact the compliance officer (or at least their department) and kindly request a little more time to gather the required info, and they are usually agreeable but if your accountant is organised and you are honest then it's not going to be a problem at all providing past payslips and bank statements etc.
Good luck.
Most of these checks are supposed to be random, but after seeing the clients picked up, it appears they have been targeted. And usually quite rightly.
Anecdotally, I had a client that put through a salary of £5K, but claimed £25K furlough. Not fraudulently, just stupidly. HMRC haven't picked it up and we have advised them of the error, but heard nothing yet.
Anecdotally, I had a client that put through a salary of £5K, but claimed £25K furlough. Not fraudulently, just stupidly. HMRC haven't picked it up and we have advised them of the error, but heard nothing yet.
Thanks for the comments.
It was just two employees furloughed for the period. One full time from March 2020, then him and another on flexible furlough from November 2020 to Sept 2021.
It turns out we made a couple of mistakes, which have come up in the HMRC data mining of stuff. So it is entirely our fault then, and not random!
Our payroll company slightly messed up the employers contribution for March 2020 - the first month of furlough. There was a difference of less than a tenner that we paid in contributions than we put on the payslip and was submitted on RTI and used for the claim. Not really enough to raise an enquiry for I'd have thought. I raised a CJRS overclaim repayment and paid this back on Friday. Obvs will be giving the HMRC all these details in our response.
However the biggy is the f
ktard accountant under declared the Income from coronavirus business support grants on our last CT600 return submitted in August. I signed them off though, so I must take some blame. How the fk this came about or I never spotted it is a mystery. It is correct on the draft accounts, but a random number nearly £20K less than it should have been on the return. This is what rang the alarm bells I guess, as it resulted in an underpayment in Corporation Tax of nearly £4K.
The CT600 has been resubmitted with the correct sum, and I've just paid the £4K, so I hope that will put it all to bed. I've spent hours last week and over the weekend going through all this, along with the accountant and the payroll company. I guess there'll be some interest to pay, and hopefully no penalty as they were genuine mistakes and the sums have repaid. We'll see !!
It was just two employees furloughed for the period. One full time from March 2020, then him and another on flexible furlough from November 2020 to Sept 2021.
It turns out we made a couple of mistakes, which have come up in the HMRC data mining of stuff. So it is entirely our fault then, and not random!
Our payroll company slightly messed up the employers contribution for March 2020 - the first month of furlough. There was a difference of less than a tenner that we paid in contributions than we put on the payslip and was submitted on RTI and used for the claim. Not really enough to raise an enquiry for I'd have thought. I raised a CJRS overclaim repayment and paid this back on Friday. Obvs will be giving the HMRC all these details in our response.
However the biggy is the f
ktard accountant under declared the Income from coronavirus business support grants on our last CT600 return submitted in August. I signed them off though, so I must take some blame. How the fk this came about or I never spotted it is a mystery. It is correct on the draft accounts, but a random number nearly £20K less than it should have been on the return. This is what rang the alarm bells I guess, as it resulted in an underpayment in Corporation Tax of nearly £4K. The CT600 has been resubmitted with the correct sum, and I've just paid the £4K, so I hope that will put it all to bed. I've spent hours last week and over the weekend going through all this, along with the accountant and the payroll company. I guess there'll be some interest to pay, and hopefully no penalty as they were genuine mistakes and the sums have repaid. We'll see !!
catfood12 said:
However the biggy is the fktard accountant under declared the Income from coronavirus business support grants on our last CT600 return submitted in August. I signed them off though, so I must take some blame. How the fk this came about or I never spotted it is a mystery. It is correct on the draft accounts, but a random number nearly £20K less than it should have been on the return. This is what rang the alarm bells I guess, as it resulted in an underpayment in Corporation Tax of nearly £4K.
The CT600 has been resubmitted with the correct sum, and I've just paid the £4K, so I hope that will put it all to bed. I've spent hours last week and over the weekend going through all this, along with the accountant and the payroll company. I guess there'll be some interest to pay, and hopefully no penalty as they were genuine mistakes and the sums have repaid. We'll see !!
Yep, that'll probably trigger a check! If the accountant writes an appeal letter explaining that the draft set of accounts approved by you were correct, then it's for them to explain to HMRC why an erroneous version was submitted. Let us know the outcome though and if any penalty/interest is payable, I'd be interested. ktard accountant under declared the Income from coronavirus business support grants on our last CT600 return submitted in August. I signed them off though, so I must take some blame. How the fk this came about or I never spotted it is a mystery. It is correct on the draft accounts, but a random number nearly £20K less than it should have been on the return. This is what rang the alarm bells I guess, as it resulted in an underpayment in Corporation Tax of nearly £4K.The CT600 has been resubmitted with the correct sum, and I've just paid the £4K, so I hope that will put it all to bed. I've spent hours last week and over the weekend going through all this, along with the accountant and the payroll company. I guess there'll be some interest to pay, and hopefully no penalty as they were genuine mistakes and the sums have repaid. We'll see !!
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