CGT Loss and Dividend Payments

CGT Loss and Dividend Payments

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darrent

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630 posts

266 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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Just a quick one - I have a substantial CGT loss for last year (damn you stockmarket :hehe:). Question is can I pay myself a bit more in the divi department this year to ofset the loss? So using made up figures - last year I lost £50k on the stockmarket. I usually pay myself £25k dividends as a director of the company so could I pay myself an extra £50k to plug the loss - I assume this extra £50k would be tax free as I have a £50k loss from the previous FY??

davidd

6,531 posts

291 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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I thought you could only pay divs from profit, therefore if you have made a loss you cannot declare a div.

I await correction.

D

ATG

21,377 posts

279 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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If you've got profit on the balance sheet from previous years, a cmpany can distribute that, I think. But as I private individual are you allowed to net off CGT loss against income??

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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You pay dividends from the reserves of the company. Even if a company has not made a profit in the most recent trading year, it may still be in a position to pay dividends to the shareholders because of the accumulated reserves it has built up in the past.

If you make a CGT loss, you are normally restricted to offsetting that loss against other CGT profits in the same tax year or future tax years. In fact, there are quite a few situations where you can do absolutely nothing with a CGT loss.

One thing you usually cannot do with Capital Losses is offset them against earned or investment income. Dividends are "Investment" income and subject to Income Tax. Therefore, a Capital Loss would not be offsetable against dividend income.



>> Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 4th July 16:00

darrent

Original Poster:

630 posts

266 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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Chaps - think you all misunderstood - the loss is a personal one not a company one. I privately bought shares using my own money that went belly up. What I am saying is can I pay myself a dividend from my company and offset the tax against my loss i.e. treat the dividend as a capital gain then offset against the previous years personal capital loss.

Editied to note Eric's comment - Eric surely the shares that I bought and sold at a loss are an investment loss just as my dividend payment from my company is an investment gain thus I can offset one against the other?

>> Edited by darrent on Monday 4th July 17:54

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Monday 4th July 2005
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Nope.

Investment income is income generated by the invested funds (interest, rents, dividends etc) and is taxed under Income Tax rules.

Gains brought about by a rise in the underlying value of the investment are Capital Gains and are taxed under separate Capital Gains Tax rules.

The two worlds don't interact much.