The first employee

[Graham]

We've been trading for about 6 years and always used freelancers to top up as and when required, but im looking at taking on a chap to start at the bottom and grow part of the buisiness.

we've done some costings and put aside a years salary plus some start up costs, found an interested chap who seems to fit the profile, talked things around with him and it looks like a goer.

we're looking to start with 6 months fixed term to see if the business grows and take it from there...

So what do i need to do next in terms of employing him, paper work, extra insurances, h&s, other considerations etc...

and is there anything i can scam of the govt to help pay for him !!!!


cheers

Graham

p.s. it a ltd company

[Eric Mc]

I presume you intend putting him on the payroll and deducting PAYE and NI plus paying over the Employer's NI too?

[Graham]

yep a proper employee !!!!

[alunr]

Speak to your local business link about funding for taking on and training staff etc.

[Don]

You will need an "HR Director", an "Employee Handbook", a formal disciplinary procedure, a watertight Contract, a "Health and Safety Policy" and luck.

Enjoy.

Guess who got the job of HR Director and had to write that little lot.

Arse.

[steviebee]

anonymous said:

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Agree - totally!

When you become an employer, you put yourself at the mercy of both the employee and the government that at present, backs the rights of workers even when they have none! (probably not a fair comment but I say as I see!)

[golfman]

Or join the www.fsb.org.uk like we did. Download every legal document you can think of free of charge including contracts etc. Just fill in the blanks.

Dont pay someone to do something you can do yourself and is just as legal!

Once a member you can also use their free legal helpline.

[granville]

One of the reasons, imho, that there is so much success within the Asian business community, lies within the commonality of retaining the services of members of what are usually, relatively extended family circles.

There appears to be a shared sense of benefit and purpose which permeates right the way through organisations, from the humblest employee to the MD which capture the very essence of entrepeneurialism in the classical, American sense and now, as seen in India, China and the rest.

What makes it so successful compared to the traditional Anglo-Saxon model is it's ability to resist the 'official' and hugely preventative, inflexibilities foistered on businesses elsewhere - with their largely self-serving employee pool - by our and western European over regulatative legislation which is now preposterously weighted against the business and in favour of innumerable, bogus 'employee rights.'

The Asian business, at it's core, simply resists these restrictions because quite logically, they realise the impossible, unprogressive folly of the 'idle state' that Nulabian socio-economic engineering represents.

I've seen it time and time again: many of my close associates are from a variety of Asian backgrounds and I am immensely jealous of their massively flexible employee resource base: whilst I am forced into crazy hours because it is simply not 'the done thing' to even ask - much less push - people into the arena of actual graft (eminent PHers excepted, of course ), beyond their modest, societally-induced working time schedules, you can rest assured that whilst I am killing myself all hours, said acquaintances are enjoying the fruits of their familial endeavours with relative ease, secure in the knowledge that a trusted member of their 'inner sanctum' is taking care of the main elements of the operation.

Indeed, a business nearby, within the last few years, decided the hassle was simply uneconomic: they contracted the business and retained/deliberately employed additional members of those family personnel willing to roll up their sleeves and do the biz. The guy who runs it has never been happier.

Frankly, with utter madness insofar as extending both the scale (6-9 months) and scope (mothers transferring some of the entitlement to fathers) of maternity leave rights are concerned, employment in the UK is set to become an even more unpalatable quagmire for the small-medium sized, private sector concern.

At least, it seems, the Frenchies are on the brink of delivering one merciful, salvational 'Up Yours, Delors' to the furtherment of the European Red Bastards Conspiracy, which may stem some of the insane proclamations from The Council of Surefire Economic Stagnation.


Archdeacon Harkonen of Melnibone.

[Don]

derestrictor said:

Archdeacon Harkonen of Melnibone.

Ahhh. A widely read man of distinction, I see.

May the spice flow as you weild Stormbringer.

[PetrolTed]

That's a very interesting observation Der.

must go talk to my nephews...

[Eric Mc]

The cult of "self interest" over the "common good" is very much a Western cultural thing. In business, it cuts both ways. We have the entrepeneurs who seek to better themselves through their risk taking, business approach and we have the employees who seek to better themselves by guarding their employment rights. Both can be antagonistic to each other which can result in neither faction bettering themselves at all.

The more "cooperative" approach of Eastern business can result in hugely successful businesses but it doesn't necessarilly fit the mind-set of Westerners.

[golfman]

anonymous said:

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Of course you do. But for only around £100 / year its damn good money spent. You can spend that in any solicitors having a half an hour chat!