Council Planning Department
Discussion
I have located a plot of land, which I wish to approach the council with regard to developing.
There is no Planning Permission, No mention in the Local Plan, and no Development Brief on the plot.
The local authority is keen to promote urban regeneration and it is a brownfield site that is currently land locked.
The council have asked me to put my proposals in writing, with a Land registry Title plan of the plot, to confirm location. They will then discuss possibilities for the site and write back.
My question is;
If the council are aware that I wish to develop, can they inform the owners of the land, or do they make the owners aware such an enquiry has been made?
I would want to keep the information private until I owned the land or had an option agreement in place for obvious reasons.
Thanks, David.
There is no Planning Permission, No mention in the Local Plan, and no Development Brief on the plot.
The local authority is keen to promote urban regeneration and it is a brownfield site that is currently land locked.
The council have asked me to put my proposals in writing, with a Land registry Title plan of the plot, to confirm location. They will then discuss possibilities for the site and write back.
My question is;
If the council are aware that I wish to develop, can they inform the owners of the land, or do they make the owners aware such an enquiry has been made?
I would want to keep the information private until I owned the land or had an option agreement in place for obvious reasons.
Thanks, David.
AFAIK, unless of course someone in the planning department knows the owner, they would not have to notify them that someone is making enquiries about the land. However, as and when you make an application for planning consent, you would have to serve notice on the owner that consent is being applied for.
mutt k said:
AFAIK, unless of course someone in the planning department knows the owner, they would not have to notify them that someone is making enquiries about the land. However, as and when you make an application for planning consent, you would have to serve notice on the owner that consent is being applied for.
Yep, this is correct.
KingRichard said:
sorry... AFAIK?
not up on all this net language yet TBH
thats good to know, guess I can bash out a letter in the morning then... Ta
AFAIK = As far as I know
Ps: with all this gen you are getting for your first property development from the PH collective, I hope you are going to cut us in for a share of the profits!
will be on me, but not at the Hoon. Unless it all comes off beforehand and I can get a nice shiny Tiv to drive be very aware that (and this is probably libellous but I care not) that most of the people working in most planning offices in the UK are taking money from local developers to be on the look out for this sort of thing. Once you've asked the council the likelihood is that a number of others will mysteriously discover this plot very quickly.....
Davel said:
You are probably right and, in my experience, there are also lots of land agents etc who also have quite lucrative relationships with certain developers etc.
Damn right...in fact I'd go so far as to suggest that if they aren't on a nice, fat, retainer to a developer, then they are so incompetent that they aren't worth dealing with!
We pay a number of land agents etc. yearly retainers of a size that many people would consider adequate as an annual salary, just to let us know first about any interesting land they come across. And that's before it starts getting really profitable for them - if and when we progress a site, there is an even bigger, fatter, finder's fee winging its way in their direction.
But then you knew all this, didn't you, King Richard?
You're playing with the big boys, now!
King R
I recently put in for planning permission to build a 3 bed house next to mine
After agreeing to all their requests it was denied as "my hedge is a local feature" (the same hdge every ay they tell me is an eyesore and to cut back!)
Planning appeal set for september as thy are suddenly very busy dealing with rejected claims.
be ready for the long haul!
I recently put in for planning permission to build a 3 bed house next to mine
After agreeing to all their requests it was denied as "my hedge is a local feature" (the same hdge every ay they tell me is an eyesore and to cut back!)
Planning appeal set for september as thy are suddenly very busy dealing with rejected claims.
be ready for the long haul!
Even if the site is not specifically identified within the local plan (and if it was, everyone would know about it), actually locate the site on the colour plan and see what it is allocated as, whether it be open space, employment, allocated housing site, or non-allocated white space etc etc, it should give you a steer when considered in conjunction with the policies laid out in the local plan text.
You should be able to form a view from this information (or a planning consultant would anyway), then if it looks a goer, make an approach and see if you can strike a deal with the landowner. Only then make some pre-application enquiries with the planners and get the legals done asap if the feedback is positive. Until the contract/option is signed there is always a risk of another party making an approach and muddying the water - just have to try and minimise it as much as possible.
Re; Land Agents fees - yes they can be chunky, but the value in securing a site off-market can far outweigh what may appear to be an exhorbitant fee. Just remember that if the appraisal works at the agreed purchase price with the fee included, then it simply comes off the land value and it is the vendor who ultimately cops for it.
You should be able to form a view from this information (or a planning consultant would anyway), then if it looks a goer, make an approach and see if you can strike a deal with the landowner. Only then make some pre-application enquiries with the planners and get the legals done asap if the feedback is positive. Until the contract/option is signed there is always a risk of another party making an approach and muddying the water - just have to try and minimise it as much as possible.
Re; Land Agents fees - yes they can be chunky, but the value in securing a site off-market can far outweigh what may appear to be an exhorbitant fee. Just remember that if the appraisal works at the agreed purchase price with the fee included, then it simply comes off the land value and it is the vendor who ultimately cops for it.
polar993 said:
Even if the site is not specifically identified within the local plan (and if it was, everyone would know about it), actually locate the site on the colour plan and see what it is allocated as, whether it be open space, employment, allocated housing site, or non-allocated white space etc etc, it should give you a steer when considered in conjunction with the policies laid out in the local plan text.
You should be able to form a view from this information (or a planning consultant would anyway), then if it looks a goer, make an approach and see if you can strike a deal with the landowner. Only then make some pre-application enquiries with the planners and get the legals done asap if the feedback is positive. Until the contract/option is signed there is always a risk of another party making an approach and muddying the water - just have to try and minimise it as much as possible.
Re; Land Agents fees - yes they can be chunky, but the value in securing a site off-market can far outweigh what may appear to be an exhorbitant fee. Just remember that if the appraisal works at the agreed purchase price with the fee included, then it simply comes off the land value and it is the vendor who ultimately cops for it.
So you would be advising to employ a planning consultant... Get a feeling what my next topic will be?
BTW anyone that wishes to mail me please do so
Rich25 said:
Hi David,
Sorry to jack your thread - or should that be forum
Cheers
I mailed you yesterday... I need to know a start time for the seminar if its daytime we won't be able to attend. I am on a training course in Kent on the same day!!
thanks.
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