Property as pension fund ?!...

Property as pension fund ?!...

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nekrum

Original Poster:

578 posts

284 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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Hi All,

Does anyone know what to pro's and con's are of buying property as a pension fund? I've spoken to afew people and the opinions vary on weather you can have residential or just commercial property etc.

Can this be done as a group of people?

Any thoughts would be helpfull - thanks in advance..

Eric Mc

122,858 posts

272 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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Are you talking in the general sense as "I would prefer to invest in property rather than pay into a pension fund" or are you asking "can investment in land and property be part of the assets acquired as part of a pension fund investment portfolio?"

Different scenarios entirely.


>> Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 26th November 09:06

AlexHancock

466 posts

275 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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I'm going to assume that you mean buying a property using your pension fund? I've recently done this.

You need to convert your pension fund into a SIPP (do a search for information). A SIPP can buy commercial property and from April 2006 will be able to buy residential property (and aparently anything else that can be proved to be a good investment - 250 GTO SWB anyone?). Currently the SIPP can get a mortgage on the property up to 70% of the property's value. From April 2006 this will reduce to only 50% of the fund's value IIRC. So big advantage to buy commercial property now as you can buy something worth a lot more than your fund. Several people can group their SIPPs together to buy one property - I did it with a business partner.

Be warned though - it's quite a painful process, as to avoid you raiding your fund or taking undue advantage of the tax benefits, it's all taken out of your hands and managed by the fund's nominated trustees. It must be rented out at market rate so you can't use it to reduce your businesses overheads. All of the fees charged are very high.

Generally, very tax advantageous and a good way of converting your pension into something you can make use of and should be worth something when you come to retire.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

273 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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AlexHancock said:
...... It must be rented out at market rate so you can't use it to reduce your businesses overheads. All of the fees charged are very high.


but you are effectively using your business to pay money back to yourself, so its still a damn good idea. Charge even more rent to yourself and watch your pension fund grow! AFAIK

Eric Mc

122,858 posts

272 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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You can see why the Inland Revenue were reluctant to allow property to be allowed as part of pension funds. It's this type of manipulation which will see it withdrawn again.

ATG

21,369 posts

279 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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You also need to consider the diversity of your pension fund's assets. Putting a significant proportion of your money into a single asset class is dangerous.

AlexHancock

466 posts

275 months

Friday 26th November 2004
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No - you can't charge yourself more than the market rate as the Revenue consider this a no no.

But your right that at least the money is eventually going to be yours again.

nekrum

Original Poster:

578 posts

284 months

Sunday 28th November 2004
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Hi Thanks for the feedback so far.

Does the SIPP have to be your primary fund?

>> Edited by nekrum on Sunday 28th November 10:35