holiday leave - staff memebr not come back yet?
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an employee (e/ee) was granted 2 weeks leave. Fine. end of the two weeks hes not at work. the 2nd day have a phone call from son, his house purchase abroad has taken longer then anticipated and wont be in till the following week.
3 full time staff - major problems as the other FT is also away so only me holding the fort. no authority for this unauthorised absence.
What would you do?
ps the Barsteward still has not phoned me yet (3days )
3 full time staff - major problems as the other FT is also away so only me holding the fort. no authority for this unauthorised absence.
What would you do?
ps the Barsteward still has not phoned me yet (3days )
You Really dont have the best of luck with staff do you.
Is this guy a good solid worker? has his previous performance been good / excellemt / stunning / shit ?
How long has be been with you etc.
If he is a long standing, decent worker, then you really dont want to get rid of him too easily, from a small firm..
Can you not raise him on the phone?
depending on answers to the above, it would be instant dismissal for Gross Misconduct, thru to Final Written Warning accompanied by a docking of wages and possible pay cut / loss of privaledges for a period to be defined, depending on the excuse and apology.
Still much rather never have to deal with this situarion in the first place.
Sorry m8 ;(
Is this guy a good solid worker? has his previous performance been good / excellemt / stunning / shit ?
How long has be been with you etc.
If he is a long standing, decent worker, then you really dont want to get rid of him too easily, from a small firm..
Can you not raise him on the phone?
depending on answers to the above, it would be instant dismissal for Gross Misconduct, thru to Final Written Warning accompanied by a docking of wages and possible pay cut / loss of privaledges for a period to be defined, depending on the excuse and apology.
Still much rather never have to deal with this situarion in the first place.
Sorry m8 ;(
Hes been employed for just over 1 year (ar@e and bgger)- to replace the other staff member who did a very similar thing 18 month ago.
No I have no phone number for him in France, I tried his home but just rings. His work has been good although a few ups and downs but not too major.
He has gone against what I directed him to do in the past onece but we resolved that.
Because we were bitten last time (settled before ind tribunal) and didnt involve our solicitors early enough, i written for their advice now and will conduct every thing in writing via our solicitors. ACAS advice sucks and screwed it for us then.
Im cross as this shows no respect for me or my firm, its created immence work load on me. I have 1 other staff off on leave now from the same office and another staff off ill from another office - so we are really streached.
The guy could have dealt with his purchase by phone/post/or just asked to fly out for 1 day which I would have agreed. To top it all he still hasnt the balls to phone me despite me telling his son that he must call immediatly.
How can I trust him again? or to even turn up at work if he doesnt feel like it.
I really am trying hard to do the right thing but want to protect me from this happening again and againt possible liability.
So any views would be helpful.
No I have no phone number for him in France, I tried his home but just rings. His work has been good although a few ups and downs but not too major.
He has gone against what I directed him to do in the past onece but we resolved that.
Because we were bitten last time (settled before ind tribunal) and didnt involve our solicitors early enough, i written for their advice now and will conduct every thing in writing via our solicitors. ACAS advice sucks and screwed it for us then.
Im cross as this shows no respect for me or my firm, its created immence work load on me. I have 1 other staff off on leave now from the same office and another staff off ill from another office - so we are really streached.
The guy could have dealt with his purchase by phone/post/or just asked to fly out for 1 day which I would have agreed. To top it all he still hasnt the balls to phone me despite me telling his son that he must call immediatly.
How can I trust him again? or to even turn up at work if he doesnt feel like it.
I really am trying hard to do the right thing but want to protect me from this happening again and againt possible liability.
So any views would be helpful.
Can't resist saying that if you didn't pay him so much he wouldn't be buying a place abroad! 
In all seriousness though, he should receive no pay for unauthorised leave. Perhaps there is scope for docking his holiday pay too, due to not sticking to the terms??? A written warning is certainly required, so if he ever does anything like it again you can get rid without any probs.
Anything stronger than that and he'll be looking for another job anyway which may or may not be preferable to you depending on how easy it is for you to find and train new staff.
Looking at the replies, It sounds like you've had these type of problems before. It's probably worth looking at the environment your staff are working in. Can you honestly see any reason why they may not like working there and therefore wouldn't care if they got sacked. Alternatively, are you treating them so well that they think they can get away with anything?
Hope that helps, only my thoughts and I certainly am no expert in managing staff... tend to be too easy on them.
In all seriousness though, he should receive no pay for unauthorised leave. Perhaps there is scope for docking his holiday pay too, due to not sticking to the terms??? A written warning is certainly required, so if he ever does anything like it again you can get rid without any probs.
Anything stronger than that and he'll be looking for another job anyway which may or may not be preferable to you depending on how easy it is for you to find and train new staff.
Looking at the replies, It sounds like you've had these type of problems before. It's probably worth looking at the environment your staff are working in. Can you honestly see any reason why they may not like working there and therefore wouldn't care if they got sacked. Alternatively, are you treating them so well that they think they can get away with anything?
Hope that helps, only my thoughts and I certainly am no expert in managing staff... tend to be too easy on them.
I believe that if you do not pitch up for >3 days you are deemed to have left the company (unless you make contact to inform otherwise i.e. sicknote etc). At least that was the case at a company that I worked at. I would certainly issue a written formal and make it unpaid leave. Better still make it paid leave then he will have none left for the rest of the year (but will then pull a sicky anyway!!).
PetrolTed said:
Gross misconduct, let him off with unpaid leave and replace his PC with a 75Mhz ten year old PC.
Luxury.
When I were a lad we used to have t'cut off our fingers a toes and use them for t'abacus.
Unpaid leave seems the fair way to go. Plus if you can't lose them, perhaps the only way to ensure they don't take the p!ss again.
yes but its not the money its the inconveneince and lack of trust.
We are a small firm with 3 staff in each office. Ive now got one off on offical leave, one off on sick (geniune) one off on unauthorised holiday. So we are streached.
I dont want to get into the trap of staff going off on unauthorised hol and all we do is dont pay them for that time off. We can afford the extra time off for the amount of work left for the others to do.
A good punch up would satisfy me though but I cant even do that now !
We are a small firm with 3 staff in each office. Ive now got one off on offical leave, one off on sick (geniune) one off on unauthorised holiday. So we are streached.
I dont want to get into the trap of staff going off on unauthorised hol and all we do is dont pay them for that time off. We can afford the extra time off for the amount of work left for the others to do.
A good punch up would satisfy me though but I cant even do that now !
But perhaps a good telling off (written warning) and the punishment of stopped pay will be enough to stop them doing it again.
If it was possible and not too much of an inconvenience though Id be looking at losing them now before they do it again.
If they had phoned it would be a different matter.
If it was possible and not too much of an inconvenience though Id be looking at losing them now before they do it again.
If they had phoned it would be a different matter.
his son has apparantly left a message for him at the camp site. they did not take their mobiles. Son has not even been able to talk to tell his dad anything I said - so Im told by the son.
I have no way of contacting him.
so then What should I say if/when he turns up on Monday? any nice sarcastic comments?
I have no way of contacting him.
so then What should I say if/when he turns up on Monday? any nice sarcastic comments?
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