Range Rover Bargains?
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Hi all,
I have been looking at Range Rovers recently. I havent really looked much in the past but it seems to me there are some real bargains out there.
I'm talking about the £15-20k price range. For that you are looking at a 2001-2005 Vogue 40-80k miles and very high spec. I'm looking at the 4.4 V8's.
This seems to be a LOT of car for the money?
I'm aware that:
Consubables will be expensive (tires / brakes etc) but I wouldnt have thought it got through them very quickly.
Servicing will be expensive
It will do about 15 mpg
What I dont know much about is their reliablility. Now I have an old Discovery and there are loads of little niggles with it but it is a bit of a shed and gets treated as such. Its purely used for off roading and taking the dogs out in etc.
Do they go wrong much because presumably its not cheap when they do!! Lots of electronics etc. Land Rover are not known for their reliability
Cheers guys
I have been looking at Range Rovers recently. I havent really looked much in the past but it seems to me there are some real bargains out there.
I'm talking about the £15-20k price range. For that you are looking at a 2001-2005 Vogue 40-80k miles and very high spec. I'm looking at the 4.4 V8's.
This seems to be a LOT of car for the money?
I'm aware that:
Consubables will be expensive (tires / brakes etc) but I wouldnt have thought it got through them very quickly.
Servicing will be expensive
It will do about 15 mpg
What I dont know much about is their reliablility. Now I have an old Discovery and there are loads of little niggles with it but it is a bit of a shed and gets treated as such. Its purely used for off roading and taking the dogs out in etc.
Do they go wrong much because presumably its not cheap when they do!! Lots of electronics etc. Land Rover are not known for their reliability
Cheers guys
pbickerd said:
Hi all,
I have been looking at Range Rovers recently. I havent really looked much in the past but it seems to me there are some real bargains out there.
I'm talking about the £15-20k price range. For that you are looking at a 2001-2005 Vogue 40-80k miles and very high spec. I'm looking at the 4.4 V8's.
This seems to be a LOT of car for the money?
I'm aware that:
Consubables will be expensive (tires / brakes etc) but I wouldnt have thought it got through them very quickly.
Servicing will be expensive
It will do about 15 mpg
What I dont know much about is their reliablility. Now I have an old Discovery and there are loads of little niggles with it but it is a bit of a shed and gets treated as such. Its purely used for off roading and taking the dogs out in etc.
Do they go wrong much because presumably its not cheap when they do!! Lots of electronics etc. Land Rover are not known for their reliability
Cheers guys
I remember a similar question being asked about the P38's a few years back. Received wisdom at the time (Land Rover Magazine), was that whatever you paid for your P38, make sure you had roughly the same amount set aside to cover the cost of repairs when it went wrong. I have been looking at Range Rovers recently. I havent really looked much in the past but it seems to me there are some real bargains out there.
I'm talking about the £15-20k price range. For that you are looking at a 2001-2005 Vogue 40-80k miles and very high spec. I'm looking at the 4.4 V8's.
This seems to be a LOT of car for the money?
I'm aware that:
Consubables will be expensive (tires / brakes etc) but I wouldnt have thought it got through them very quickly.
Servicing will be expensive
It will do about 15 mpg
What I dont know much about is their reliablility. Now I have an old Discovery and there are loads of little niggles with it but it is a bit of a shed and gets treated as such. Its purely used for off roading and taking the dogs out in etc.
Do they go wrong much because presumably its not cheap when they do!! Lots of electronics etc. Land Rover are not known for their reliability
Cheers guys
Guess it will be a case of picking very carefully. Having owned old Landy's you tend to live with the niggles...I am not sure if the same would apply for a RR...
Having said that.....those V8 Vogues are lovely motors
How much was a 2001-2005 Vogue when it was new? £60k?
Even a 2005 model will be 5-6 years old now.
Is 67% depreciation in 5-6 years really a bargain?
A top spec Audi A8 or BMW 7 series would have cost similar money to a RR Vogue when new, but good 2005 examples of those cars are now much cheaper than £20k.
Far from being a bargain, I'm amazed at how well the RR holds its value, given current fuel prices, anti-4x4 sentiment, and poor reputation for reliability (however real or unjustified).
Even a 2005 model will be 5-6 years old now.
Is 67% depreciation in 5-6 years really a bargain?
A top spec Audi A8 or BMW 7 series would have cost similar money to a RR Vogue when new, but good 2005 examples of those cars are now much cheaper than £20k.
Far from being a bargain, I'm amazed at how well the RR holds its value, given current fuel prices, anti-4x4 sentiment, and poor reputation for reliability (however real or unjustified).
It still seems like a lot of car for the money. I know you can buy a nice saloon for that money but I already have a BMW that is the commuting workhorse I am looking for something a bit special to cruise around in.
With my old Landy I'm aware of niggles although its never had anything too serious go wrong and it does have a huge number of miles on the clock.
I guess I just figured with the newer cars and indeed the more high end cars the reliability might be a bit better.
With my old Landy I'm aware of niggles although its never had anything too serious go wrong and it does have a huge number of miles on the clock.
I guess I just figured with the newer cars and indeed the more high end cars the reliability might be a bit better.
I purchased one of these a couple of months back, and I have to warn you!
Be prepared. After this car you won't be happy with anything less than a newer Range Rover.
Don't believe the pessimists who go on about how much it'll cost to maintain. 90% of these ranters have never even been in one, let alone owned one, though some of them might have a friend who once owned one, more usually it's a friend of a friend (i.e. rumours on the internet).
Clearly only a fool would buy a Range Rover as a cheap runabout, but it can easily be run for Mondeo money, compared to a newer Mondeo! Depreciation is not really an issue at this level, find a good specialist and you can be paying £35-£50 per hour for somebody who knows the vehicle really well, and is passionate about it. Get an LPG conversion for £1,300 to £2k, and you'll up your MPG equivalent to 22-30 mpg (40 is a myth based on underestimating the cost of LPG and forgetting that you still use some petrol).
In terms of reliability, again, no worse than any other luxury car, there can be issues, however with cheap labour costs, and easy availability of parts at reasonable prices, no real problems. Things to be aware of are:
1. Gearbox oil should be changed at 100k, otherwise you'll be in for a gearbox rebuild at some stage, but even this is not really a big deal. £1,500 and you're done.
2. Cooling system of 4.4 not always great. Rad's can fail as can pipes, but simple to fix and not too expensive.
3. PCV issues, just change a few cheapish parts.
4. Suspension - airbags or compressor can fail - can be expensive, but not as big an issue as people think.
Get a good one, try to get the 2005 facelift version with the newer lights, and the improved Satnav etc. It may take you slightly above your budget of £15k, but it's worthwhile. Get a petrol one, LPG conversion, and enjoy for many years!
Or here's a good example of an early one, this website will be very useful for your research as well!
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic4467.html
Be prepared. After this car you won't be happy with anything less than a newer Range Rover.
Don't believe the pessimists who go on about how much it'll cost to maintain. 90% of these ranters have never even been in one, let alone owned one, though some of them might have a friend who once owned one, more usually it's a friend of a friend (i.e. rumours on the internet).
Clearly only a fool would buy a Range Rover as a cheap runabout, but it can easily be run for Mondeo money, compared to a newer Mondeo! Depreciation is not really an issue at this level, find a good specialist and you can be paying £35-£50 per hour for somebody who knows the vehicle really well, and is passionate about it. Get an LPG conversion for £1,300 to £2k, and you'll up your MPG equivalent to 22-30 mpg (40 is a myth based on underestimating the cost of LPG and forgetting that you still use some petrol).
In terms of reliability, again, no worse than any other luxury car, there can be issues, however with cheap labour costs, and easy availability of parts at reasonable prices, no real problems. Things to be aware of are:
1. Gearbox oil should be changed at 100k, otherwise you'll be in for a gearbox rebuild at some stage, but even this is not really a big deal. £1,500 and you're done.
2. Cooling system of 4.4 not always great. Rad's can fail as can pipes, but simple to fix and not too expensive.
3. PCV issues, just change a few cheapish parts.
4. Suspension - airbags or compressor can fail - can be expensive, but not as big an issue as people think.
Get a good one, try to get the 2005 facelift version with the newer lights, and the improved Satnav etc. It may take you slightly above your budget of £15k, but it's worthwhile. Get a petrol one, LPG conversion, and enjoy for many years!
Or here's a good example of an early one, this website will be very useful for your research as well!
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic4467.html
Edited by bozmandb9 on Friday 21st January 12:18
Thanks for the feedback. I had never been that interested in them or seen the appeal until I went in one a little while back and decided it was a VERY nice place to be. The gadget freak in me virtually shot its load lol.
I am severely tempted. My budget can probably stretch up to 20k but still not seeing many 2005 ones in that bracket unless they have extremely high mileage. I will keep searching, I wont be taking the plunge till about march time as that is when my money will be coming in. Just doing my research in advance
EDIT - what sort of mileages do these things go on to do? The disco we have has over 250k on it (its a shed now but still impressive)
I am severely tempted. My budget can probably stretch up to 20k but still not seeing many 2005 ones in that bracket unless they have extremely high mileage. I will keep searching, I wont be taking the plunge till about march time as that is when my money will be coming in. Just doing my research in advance
EDIT - what sort of mileages do these things go on to do? The disco we have has over 250k on it
(its a shed now but still impressive)Edited by pbickerd on Friday 21st January 12:28
There seem to be plenty which have done around 150k, and I'm sure there's no reason they won't go on to 250k or much more. I guess the thing is people don't buy them or use them generally to do mega miles, though they are a fantastic way to eat up motorway miles.
I wouldn't focus too much on mileage, particularly if it's under 100k, which is the mark at which they are just run in! At 100k most of the niggles are ironed out, and reliability is probably higher if it's been well maintained.
£20k would be a reasonable budget for a facelift model, particularly when you factor in a little 'haggling', here's an example from autotrader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
Of course if you wait until Spring to buy, then you'll get much more bang for your buck!
I wouldn't focus too much on mileage, particularly if it's under 100k, which is the mark at which they are just run in! At 100k most of the niggles are ironed out, and reliability is probably higher if it's been well maintained.
£20k would be a reasonable budget for a facelift model, particularly when you factor in a little 'haggling', here's an example from autotrader:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
Of course if you wait until Spring to buy, then you'll get much more bang for your buck!
pbickerd said:
Ah good news. I will definately wait until Spring. I am not in a hurry but do have a pretty big hankering for a new toy
In the meantime I would recommend the full fat range rover forum, you'll get a lot of information about the model, and you'll see the occasional pampered car come up for sale! www.fullfatrr.combozmandb9 said:
pbickerd said:
Ah good news. I will definately wait until Spring. I am not in a hurry but do have a pretty big hankering for a new toy
In the meantime I would recommend the full fat range rover forum, you'll get a lot of information about the model, and you'll see the occasional pampered car come up for sale! www.fullfatrr.comexcel monkey said:
How much was a 2001-2005 Vogue when it was new? £60k?
Even a 2005 model will be 5-6 years old now.
Is 67% depreciation in 5-6 years really a bargain?
A top spec Audi A8 or BMW 7 series would have cost similar money to a RR Vogue when new, but good 2005 examples of those cars are now much cheaper than £20k.
Far from being a bargain, I'm amazed at how well the RR holds its value, given current fuel prices, anti-4x4 sentiment, and poor reputation for reliability (however real or unjustified).
Guy I work with has just picked up not quite 4 year old 7 series 730d with 38k for £15.5k with 12 months BMW warranty so RR are holding prices very wellEven a 2005 model will be 5-6 years old now.
Is 67% depreciation in 5-6 years really a bargain?
A top spec Audi A8 or BMW 7 series would have cost similar money to a RR Vogue when new, but good 2005 examples of those cars are now much cheaper than £20k.
Far from being a bargain, I'm amazed at how well the RR holds its value, given current fuel prices, anti-4x4 sentiment, and poor reputation for reliability (however real or unjustified).
Strange, you're the second person to say that - I've had the RR for almost 12months, which for me is about usual. I've got a 911 turbo, x2 litre sports bikes and am in the process of buying an Aston - nothing sinister in it, I just get bored. Certainly if I was any accountant I'd keep the RR as I've spent thousands with LR GB making it perfect.
Surely selling a car after weeks is questionable, but not really after 10,000miles driven over 12months?
Surely selling a car after weeks is questionable, but not really after 10,000miles driven over 12months?
Edited by topgeartowers on Tuesday 25th January 22:17
Saw this and thought of you bpickered:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
2006 HSE 55k miles just under £21k, sure you could get it for your budget of £20k. Cheap because it's an HSE, so a bargain ideal for you!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
2006 HSE 55k miles just under £21k, sure you could get it for your budget of £20k. Cheap because it's an HSE, so a bargain ideal for you!
please dont buy an hse , you would never be happy unless its a vogue. I got mine 2 years ago 2005 touch screen non facelift cross over model for 18k , was a bargain at the time but came with a dubious history and i dont mean the service kind !!!
bozmandb9 said:
Saw this and thought of you bpickered:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
2006 HSE 55k miles just under £21k, sure you could get it for your budget of £20k. Cheap because it's an HSE, so a bargain ideal for you!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
2006 HSE 55k miles just under £21k, sure you could get it for your budget of £20k. Cheap because it's an HSE, so a bargain ideal for you!
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