When is the LR3 gonna get the V8D?

[triple7]

Anyone in the know give me a wink that it IS going to happen AND will be next year?????

G

[g77]

Sorry to disappoint but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the V8 Diesel to end up in the Disco.

Even though the platform is the same as the RR Sport so it would fit; would mean too much overlap and take prestige away from the RR / RRS.

[wheeljack888]

I know it's fashionable to accuse Ford/PAG of holding back for marketing and product overlap reasons but it's actually far more rational than that, the problem is that the Disco needs to go on a diet! Putting the V8D and all it's regalia in will push it too close to UK/EU vehicle weight limits when laden and with a trailer. Few people want to see it go in more than I do!

Edited by wheeljack888 on Saturday 30th September 10:41

[triple7]

g77 said:

Sorry to disappoint but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the V8 Diesel to end up in the Disco.

Even though the platform is the same as the RR Sport so it would fit; would mean too much overlap and take prestige away from the RR / RRS.

How can a diesel engine be considered prestige. If you said that 5 years ago you would have been laughed at!

I do however not understand why LR would not want the engine across its range. I myself have a Mk III RR Vogue and would never ever buy one if it had an oil burner under the bonnet (although the new V8D may well be very smooth and very quiet). You don't pay £75k for a new car and let it lose £35k over 3 years and then be worried about the petrol costs! As for the RRS the V8D would work a treat in that, but I wouldn't want one of those as it is too small inside for me. So what I want is an LR3 with a more powerful engine as I want the space for the family. So I do not believe people would be swayed over what model LR they want purely on the basis of the engine.

G

[triple7]

wheeljack888 said:

I know it's fashionable to accuse Ford/PAG of holding back for marketing and product overlap reasons but it's actually far more rational than that, the problem is that the Disco needs to go on a diet! Putting the V8D and all it's regalia in will push it too close to UK/EU vehicle weight limits when laden and with a trailer. Few people want to see it go in more than I do!

Edited by wheeljack888 on Saturday 30th September 10:41

Shame she is so heavy, why did LR make it so. Was it because aluminium was too expensive for the design. Where is all that weight? The 2 chassis? Is it heavier than an MKIII RR?

G

[wheeljack888]

triple7 said:

Shame she is so heavy, why did LR make it so. Was it because aluminium was too expensive for the design. Where is all that weight? The 2 chassis? Is it heavier than an MKIII RR?

G

The twin chassis thing certainly doesn't help the weight and makes it heavier than the RR, roughly 200 kilos IIRC. The 7-seat option on Disco will add quite a few kilos and maybe included in this. I'm guessing that the monocoque RR chassis was just too expensive to use for the Disco as there will be lots of difficult reinforcements to weld in, so the twin-chassis was probably quite a logical step to achieve the strength they wanted. I don't know whether LR looked at Aluminium structure but the problem with Ally is not just the cost but at the time it was an R&D unknown (certainly for 4x4s). Whilst aluminium is light it only has comparable strength & stiffness to weight as steel, so consequently aluminium cross-sections have to be much bigger to acheive the same stiffness & strength as steel for the equivalent part. The other thing is vehicle NVH have a look behind the rear bumper on a Disco and you will find hanging weights to lower the excitation frequency!

It's just Land Rovers design philosophy (or DNA as the marketing bods like to say), everything has to survive a nuclear winter and that it really will climb every mountain and ford every stream in total luxury! So it makes everything big, strong & heavy, and that it must have every feature going under the sun. The TDV8 even has a little turbo oil dry-sump within the main oil sump that allows the vehicle to attack or even park at the most unfeasible gradient without the turbos filling up with oil. Nobody else does this! Because of this kind of philosophy even the new "soft-roader" Freelander is going to be a proper pudding!

However there is plenty of scope in the current LR range to lose weight and it is being looked at intently. And they do have access to some very nice aluminium chassis building techniques from Jaguar. I guarantee this though LR will never compromise their offroad capability!

Cheers

Phil

PS Some cheeky sod has put up the TDV8 on ebay, I'm sure this has been nicked! But if your good with the spanners this could fit a disco as its the right sump! Click for engine

Edited by wheeljack888 on Saturday 30th September 14:34

[triple7]

wheeljack888 said:

However there is plenty of scope in the current LR range to lose weight and it is being looked at intently. PS Some cheeky sod has put up the TDV8 on ebay

Probably a test bed engine huh, with a million miles on it. better go thru the LR inventory on Mon am!

Will the 'lite' LR3 be soon?

G

Edited by triple7 on Saturday 30th September 21:59

Edited by triple7 on Saturday 30th September 22:00

[g77]

triple7 said:

g77 said:

Sorry to disappoint but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the V8 Diesel to end up in the Disco.

Even though the platform is the same as the RR Sport so it would fit; would mean too much overlap and take prestige away from the RR / RRS.

How can a diesel engine be considered prestige. If you said that 5 years ago you would have been laughed at!

G

Trust me once you have driven it, you won't have any doubts about prestige. From an engineering point of view, diesel is actually far better suited to a "prestige" delivery of power than petrol.

But getting back to the original question, the V6 has a higher installed production capacity than the V8. Currently Landrover want far more V6s than can be supplied (to go in the Disco).
So although some customer might want a V8 Disco the majority are quite happy with a V6, so it makes far more sense to keep fitting the V8s to the RR & RRS where more profit can be made.
And given the current business environment, LR making money and hence Ford making money is vital to all involved.

[triple7]

But like I said no one buys a car because they HAVE to have that engine, they choose the car then the engine spec, so it won't be like stealing RR or RRS customers to a cheaper vehicle me thinks.

Anyway, at least Ford will be keeping Jag and LR now. (allegedly)

G

Edited by triple7 on Saturday 30th September 23:31

[g77]

The point was actually that LR are limited in the number of V8D engines that they can have. I am sure that the demand for the engine will outstrip supply (as it has with the V6D). And they make more profit on a RR than they do on a Disco, ergo it makes more sense to put the V8 in the RR.

Incidentally take the V8 out for a test drive if you get a chance - the engine will sell the car, trust me. The power delivery of the diesel really makes the RR a much superior vehicle. I had great fun terrorising BMW drivers - I think the immense shadow and the improbable speed scared them out of the fast lane.....

IMHO the diesel is actually much better then the gasoline engine.
Plus you won't get quite so familiar with your petrol station attendants.

[wheeljack888]

g77

Do I know you?

Or perhaps more importantly do you know me?

[g77]

7156476 if that helps

If that doesn't make sense, probably not.

[wheeljack888]

Dunton!

[g77]

Busted - we'll all be probably there before long.

[wheeljack888]

g77 said:

Busted - we'll all be probably there before long.

Bloody hope so I'm so fed up of that commute!

[g77]

But what about the urgent meetings on Monday mornings / Friday afternoons in Dunton?
There wouldn't be an reason to have those anymore.

But then there is the disturbance allowance.

And I am sure that there would be urgent meetins in Dagenham on Monday mornings /Friday afternoons - well for me at least since I live in London.

[wheeljack888]

Being a typically asperger's syndrome suffering CAD monkey they don't let us anywhere near meetings as we might scare the suits!

[triple7]

g77 said:

The point was actually that LR are limited in the number of V8D engines that they can have. I am sure that the demand for the engine will outstrip supply (as it has with the V6D). And they make more profit on a RR than they do on a Disco, ergo it makes more sense to put the V8 in the RR.

Incidentally take the V8 out for a test drive if you get a chance - the engine will sell the car, trust me. The power delivery of the diesel really makes the RR a much superior vehicle. I had great fun terrorising BMW drivers - I think the immense shadow and the improbable speed scared them out of the fast lane.....

IMHO the diesel is actually much better then the gasoline engine.
Plus you won't get quite so familiar with your petrol station attendants.

I got yah, far enough!

G