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It seem I made a mess of a deal today (warrantied '99 2.5 with 50k miles from a dealer for 9k) so am not best pleased at the moment.
One thing I really disliked about the car (other than it was sold to someone else) was the lack of power for the weight.
As such, I'm tempted by a petrol RR (possibly with LPG).
Could someone suggest what I'll be able to buy with a budget of 10k, and whether there are any places I could look for 'for sale' ads other than Pistonheads and Autotrader?
thanks,
D
One thing I really disliked about the car (other than it was sold to someone else) was the lack of power for the weight.
As such, I'm tempted by a petrol RR (possibly with LPG).
Could someone suggest what I'll be able to buy with a budget of 10k, and whether there are any places I could look for 'for sale' ads other than Pistonheads and Autotrader?
thanks,
D
You should be able to pick up a nice P38 with LPG for that. May have some miles on it but not normally a problem for landrovers.
With LPG you should get about 15 mpg on gas but the gas is still less than 50p / litre. Maintenance costs will be similar to that of the diesel.
Have a look at some of the Land Rover magazines. The vehicles tend to overpriced in there but it has lots of dealers specialising in LRs.
With LPG you should get about 15 mpg on gas but the gas is still less than 50p / litre. Maintenance costs will be similar to that of the diesel.
Have a look at some of the Land Rover magazines. The vehicles tend to overpriced in there but it has lots of dealers specialising in LRs.
just bought a p38 DHSE myself ... yes its slow, but been looking and the normal routine is to remap it / upgrade the intercooler. Doing this seems to give compairable (or close to) performance to the 4.0 petrols whilst keeping most of the diesel economy.
aledgedly - not done the conversion myself yet
The story goes that range rovers are sold "ready for anywhere in the world" so are de tuned to handle awful central african low grade fuels. Landrover expect normal owners to remap the cars if they are going to stay in civilised world, and continue to honour warrenties too!!!
remap around £400
mine will be going off to the tuners in the next few weeks, once i find someone down south that i like the look of!!
aledgedly - not done the conversion myself yet
The story goes that range rovers are sold "ready for anywhere in the world" so are de tuned to handle awful central african low grade fuels. Landrover expect normal owners to remap the cars if they are going to stay in civilised world, and continue to honour warrenties too!!!
remap around £400
mine will be going off to the tuners in the next few weeks, once i find someone down south that i like the look of!!
xjsjohn said:
just bought a p38 DHSE myself ... yes its slow, but been looking and the normal routine is to remap it / upgrade the intercooler. Doing this seems to give compairable (or close to) performance to the 4.0 petrols whilst keeping most of the diesel economy.
aledgedly - not done the conversion myself yet
The story goes that range rovers are sold "ready for anywhere in the world" so are de tuned to handle awful central african low grade fuels. Landrover expect normal owners to remap the cars if they are going to stay in civilised world, and continue to honour warrenties too!!!
remap around £400
mine will be going off to the tuners in the next few weeks, once i find someone down south that i like the look of!!
I did look into the diesel tuning, and a friend has one that has been chipped.
He bought a plug in module (which he did himself in about 10 minutes). They're for sale from the manufacturer on Ebay for £335 and he saw 60 pounds of torque and 32hp increase.
However, personally I'd still prefer a v8 with LPG (it's the closest I'll get to a TVR for a while!)
Darren.
_Deejay_ said:
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I did look into the diesel tuning, and a friend has one that has been chipped.
He bought a plug in module (which he did himself in about 10 minutes). They're for sale from the manufacturer on Ebay for £335 and he saw 60 pounds of torque and 32hp increase.
However, personally I'd still prefer a v8 with LPG (it's the closest I'll get to a TVR for a while!)
Darren.
Yea i guess with one V12 in the family i can overlook performance in the tractor in favour of seeing some fuel economy !!!
Dont know the full story on this but remember one thing (and i may be spouting BS or misunderstood what i was told, but got this from work - see what i do for a living in profile)
the 10 year tax freeze on LPG comes up for review in a year or so, and there is rumour that it will not be reniewed, wich may mean that LPG could start going upwards ... rapidly!!
I dont work in downstream directly, or in the tax office, but i have heard a lot of mutterings in the canteen about this reciently.
dont quote me though, for God sake, dont quote me
Friend of mine bought a low miles '98 4.6HSE this year for £9K. Perhaps could have found cheaper, but its a lovely car and the colour combination he was after.
He also promptly decatted it and stuck a JE engineering twin pipe on the back, ....so it sounds very TVR too!
He also promptly decatted it and stuck a JE engineering twin pipe on the back, ....so it sounds very TVR too!
Edited by cy88 on Monday 5th June 12:18
cy88 said:
Friend of mine bought a low miles '98 4.6HSE this year for £9K. Perhaps could have found cheaper, but its a lovely car and the colour combination he was after.
He also promptly decatted it and stuck a JE engineering twin pipe on the back, ....so it sounds very TVR too!
Edited by cy88 on Monday 5th June 12:18
I think I've made my mind up. Going to look at a reasonable low mileage 4.6 LPG converted car with a new engine and FSH this evening.
I just hope it's as good as it sounded in the advert...
edited to add: and here's hoping the rumours about the tax on gas as unfounded :headinsandsmiley:
Edited by _Deejay_ on Monday 5th June 13:16
It was just as in the advert, so I pick it up tomorrow.
It's a newly LPG converted '00 Vogue 4.6 with 60k miles (but only 5k miles on a new engine) in black with cream leather and all the toys (DVD and playstation included
)
It was extremely lively compared to the 2.5 diesel I drove earlier in the week and did sound vaguely like a muted TVR, so I'm happy.
Roll on tomorrow!
D
It's a newly LPG converted '00 Vogue 4.6 with 60k miles (but only 5k miles on a new engine) in black with cream leather and all the toys (DVD and playstation included
) It was extremely lively compared to the 2.5 diesel I drove earlier in the week and did sound vaguely like a muted TVR, so I'm happy.
Roll on tomorrow!
D
minornut said:
Don't want to p1ss on your chips Deejay but why did it need a new engine after only 55k miles?
One tip given to me is to renew the spark plugs every service for lpg converted engines.
One tip given to me is to renew the spark plugs every service for lpg converted engines.
Not entirely sure. It was replaced under warranty by a main dealer. The owner mentioned something about water ingress into cylinder #3. Whether that was due to a slipped liner/porus block I don't know. I took the name of the dealer and sales person who dealt with the claim so I could ask them (but I've not been able to speak with them yet this am).
Looking on Autotrader, it doesn't look unusual to have a replacement engine on that vintage of car, though 55k miles is very low....
D
_DeeJay_ said:
minornut said:
Don't want to p1ss on your chips Deejay but why did it need a new engine after only 55k miles?
One tip given to me is to renew the spark plugs every service for lpg converted engines.
One tip given to me is to renew the spark plugs every service for lpg converted engines.
Not entirely sure. It was replaced under warranty by a main dealer. The owner mentioned something about water ingress into cylinder #3. Whether that was due to a slipped liner/porus block I don't know. I took the name of the dealer and sales person who dealt with the claim so I could ask them (but I've not been able to speak with them yet this am).
Looking on Autotrader, it doesn't look unusual to have a replacement engine on that vintage of car, though 55k miles is very low....
D
Managed to speak to the dealer, who just said that the engine was replaced 'because of an internal leak in the engine'. Great record keeping there then!
However, it was replaced with a brand new (not reconditioned) engine.
Darren.
Its a documented problem with SOME 4.6hse's that they can suffer from cracked engine blocks between the cylinders - apparently because the thickness of metal between the bored out 4.6 cylinders is quite narrow. However, I wouldn't say that the problem is endemic. My 95 has, touch wood, never had problems in this regard, and its almost on 100k mile. If the engine has been replaced for this reason, I am sure you can take some comfort its unlikely to happen again.
cy88 said:
Its a documented problem with SOME 4.6hse's that they can suffer from cracked engine blocks between the cylinders - apparently because the thickness of metal between the bored out 4.6 cylinders is quite narrow. However, I wouldn't say that the problem is endemic. My 95 has, touch wood, never had problems in this regard, and its almost on 100k mile. If the engine has been replaced for this reason, I am sure you can take some comfort its unlikely to happen again.
That's reassuring. However, it does make you wonder how the 5.3 TVR RV8's get away with it (as I've not heard the same complaints about those).
D
cy88 said:
Its a documented problem with SOME 4.6hse's that they can suffer from cracked engine blocks between the cylinders - apparently because the thickness of metal between the bored out 4.6 cylinders is quite narrow. However, I wouldn't say that the problem is endemic. My 95 has, touch wood, never had problems in this regard, and its almost on 100k mile. If the engine has been replaced for this reason, I am sure you can take some comfort its unlikely to happen again.
Im afraid thats wrong.The reason why there are failures on the block is not down to the thickness of the metal,the bores are not enlarged the crank has a longer stroke.The problem is down to the mapping on the E.C.U.The mapping tends to make the car run lean through the mid ranges,this in turn can cause over heating in the liners,hence new engine.
As an aside a friend's 4.6 just went pop, and took the air-con compressor with it (somehow). total bill at a LandRover dealer.... £10,000 ! ! ! !
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
exboxster said:
As an aside a friend's 4.6 just went pop, and took the air-con compressor with it (somehow). total bill at a LandRover dealer.... £10,000 ! ! ! !
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
He was had. I bought a blueprinted and tuned 4.6 for around 5 grand for my Dax. About a day to swap engine over. Never get a dealership to do anything other than stamp the service history in my opinion.
Liszt said:
exboxster said:
As an aside a friend's 4.6 just went pop, and took the air-con compressor with it (somehow). total bill at a LandRover dealer.... £10,000 ! ! ! !
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
He was had. I bought a blueprinted and tuned 4.6 for around 5 grand for my Dax. About a day to swap engine over. Never get a dealership to do anything other than stamp the service history in my opinion.
www.v8engines.com/engine-1-new.htm
Seems 5k would get you a long engine from them with a decent guarantee.
BLUETHUNDER said:
cy88 said:
Its a documented problem with SOME 4.6hse's that they can suffer from cracked engine blocks between the cylinders - apparently because the thickness of metal between the bored out 4.6 cylinders is quite narrow. However, I wouldn't say that the problem is endemic. My 95 has, touch wood, never had problems in this regard, and its almost on 100k mile. If the engine has been replaced for this reason, I am sure you can take some comfort its unlikely to happen again.
Im afraid thats wrong.The reason why there are failures on the block is not down to the thickness of the metal,the bores are not enlarged the crank has a longer stroke.The problem is down to the mapping on the E.C.U.The mapping tends to make the car run lean through the mid ranges,this in turn can cause over heating in the liners,hence new engine.
So if I had the engine replaced, it's liable to fail again (because the fault is not with the engine but the fuel map?)
I'm a tad surprised - I thought the problem with fuel mappings were history since they changed the ECU supplier in the 2000+ models?
_Deejay_ said:
Liszt said:
exboxster said:
As an aside a friend's 4.6 just went pop, and took the air-con compressor with it (somehow). total bill at a LandRover dealer.... £10,000 ! ! ! !
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
It seems pretty mad to me to spend that on it - ok it's a 2001 but it's not going to be worth that much more when the new engine's in. I suggested a 6.4 Overfinch conversion instead- now that would be fun ...
He was had. I bought a blueprinted and tuned 4.6 for around 5 grand for my Dax. About a day to swap engine over. Never get a dealership to do anything other than stamp the service history in my opinion.
www.v8engines.com/engine-1-new.htm
Seems 5k would get you a long engine from them with a decent guarantee.
I went here www.djev8.com/
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