Help me Clarkson's Farm is making me want an old Range Rover
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Yeah, you can find a good one. What constitutes a good one, though, depends upon your appetite for risk.
I've had my 2010 L322 since 2019, and it's been a largely trouble free time with a few interesting gremlins shortly after purchase.
That feeling of being extremely close to peril is what owning an LR product is like. It's a deeply loveable thing, though.
I've had my 2010 L322 since 2019, and it's been a largely trouble free time with a few interesting gremlins shortly after purchase.
That feeling of being extremely close to peril is what owning an LR product is like. It's a deeply loveable thing, though.
I have had my 2011 L322 for 6 years. Just a few lower arms, a water pump and a compressor.
It's a lovely place to be. Really relaxing and quiet.
I am keeping it because i am scared to trade it for a newer one in case the newer one is unreliable. A bit of a lottery buying one, later the better would be my tip.
It's a lovely place to be. Really relaxing and quiet.
I am keeping it because i am scared to trade it for a newer one in case the newer one is unreliable. A bit of a lottery buying one, later the better would be my tip.
bentley01 said:
Can you still find a good one? Or would it be a hideous financial disaster. Looks great on the program and every time I watch it I find myself wanting one.
Low quality post = should be a low quality answer, but consider your self lucky, I'm in a reasonably good mood. 1. Yes you can still buy a good one.
2. I don't you know what your idea of hideous financial disaster is? My 3.6TDV does about 23-25mpg per tank full and its £600 to tax. I've also spent £1k in 6 months on maintenance items.
3. Clarksons Farm along with the Queens love of the L322 means that a green/beige interior L322 is now referred to as Clarkson or Queen spec and they get snapped up very quickly.
Clarkson's is a 3.6TDV8 engine made by Ford. Its a superb engine. Very much the right amount of power and torque for the size of car (Unlike the Discovery 3)
Turbos commonly go and the bill is at least £3k depending where yo go and 2/3 of that is labour. Many things can and do go wrong with the air suspension.
Rust is probably the biggy on L322s now. Bootlid is meh issue, but arches and back of te sills is not and is about £1500-2000 to replace properly on both sides.
Its a Land Rover, so plenty of things can and do break. Water leaks into the luggage compartment where the stereo unit is housed and guess what happens there?!?
However, they are amazing machines and the L322 is considered to be 'peak' Range Rover in terms of its ability to still be rugged and be almost classless, unlike the Range Rover Sport.
I think my L322 is a brilliant machine and one of the best cars I have owned. It drives brilliantly, but is a bit roly poly in the corners, but later cars didn't introduce active dampers, but of course they break because its a Land Rover.
Prices are pretty much tanking on L322s, especially in the Home Counties and this is down to two core reasons.
- Cost of living crisis. They cost £140 to fill up, £600 to tax and at least £500pa in maintenance. Decent tyres are also £200 a corner.
- ULEZ
The second one will have the L322 diesel RR as almost scrap value at the end of the year especially in the home counties. Th 4.4s will fare better as they offer much more and woin't suffer so much under ULEZ.
Things like the Discovery 3/4 and Range Rover are pretty much the best of breed....when they are working and that is something you have to remember with Land Rovers.
Worth noting that the L322 is not as practical as a D3/4, but significantly cheaper on the used market because of it.
Or you could go for a 2006 4.2V8 supercharged petrol, with £365 per year tax and no ULEZ charges in any UK cities at the moment. No turbos to have replaced, either - it seems to me Clarkson's L322 is always away "having its turbos replaced - it must be on its 8th set by now...
Obviously,the downside is that, whilst it still takes £140 or so to fill it, it gets through it a lot more quickly...
Obviously,the downside is that, whilst it still takes £140 or so to fill it, it gets through it a lot more quickly...
Andy_mr2sc said:
Out of interest what are realistic fuel consumption on one of these, round town and on a run?
According to the computer, I get anywhere between 17 - 17.4mpg travelling to/from work, which involves country lanes, and a B-road into the back of an industrial estate - no actual urban driving.On a long journey I can hit the dizzy heights of 17.8mpg. I have seen over 18mpg on one occasion but that was a seriously boring journey.
Deranged Rover said:
Andy_mr2sc said:
Out of interest what are realistic fuel consumption on one of these, round town and on a run?
According to the computer, I get anywhere between 17 - 17.4mpg travelling to/from work, which involves country lanes, and a B-road into the back of an industrial estate - no actual urban driving.On a long journey I can hit the dizzy heights of 17.8mpg. I have seen over 18mpg on one occasion but that was a seriously boring journey.
Check rear subframes.
When I was looking I gave up after going to see 4 of them. They were all the same, rotten.
Atleast the oil leaks at the front meant the rust wasn't too bad there. Sills, arches and bootlids are relatively easy fixes by comparison.
There must be good ones out there that live under car ports and the owner had the forethought to get the Bilt Hamber products out before terminal rot set in but they didn't reside at the budget I had set.
When I was looking I gave up after going to see 4 of them. They were all the same, rotten.
Atleast the oil leaks at the front meant the rust wasn't too bad there. Sills, arches and bootlids are relatively easy fixes by comparison.
There must be good ones out there that live under car ports and the owner had the forethought to get the Bilt Hamber products out before terminal rot set in but they didn't reside at the budget I had set.
Andy_mr2sc said:
Deranged Rover said:
Andy_mr2sc said:
Out of interest what are realistic fuel consumption on one of these, round town and on a run?
According to the computer, I get anywhere between 17 - 17.4mpg travelling to/from work, which involves country lanes, and a B-road into the back of an industrial estate - no actual urban driving.On a long journey I can hit the dizzy heights of 17.8mpg. I have seen over 18mpg on one occasion but that was a seriously boring journey.
Don't forget diesel is atleast 15ppl more which negates a few of those extra mpgs.
ChocolateFrog said:
Andy_mr2sc said:
Deranged Rover said:
Andy_mr2sc said:
Out of interest what are realistic fuel consumption on one of these, round town and on a run?
According to the computer, I get anywhere between 17 - 17.4mpg travelling to/from work, which involves country lanes, and a B-road into the back of an industrial estate - no actual urban driving.On a long journey I can hit the dizzy heights of 17.8mpg. I have seen over 18mpg on one occasion but that was a seriously boring journey.
Don't forget diesel is atleast 15ppl more which negates a few of those extra mpgs.
swisstoni said:
Personally I’d be looking at a well depreciated L405.
Still plenty to go wrong but aluminium construction.
I have been looking at L405s to replace my L322 as I really do quite like the Range Rover....However Still plenty to go wrong but aluminium construction.
The legendarily bad 3.0 V6 is if course cheaper to run, but there is the ever present crank issue and that is £4-10k on a new engine depending where you go. I'd consider the L494 as well, but same engine.
The 4.4SDV8 is a good option, but I'm scared of the Turbos going on that as from what I have read, that is £6-k and an engine out job to replace.
Everything I have read about the 4.2SC suggests 10mpg on the short journeys and the car is very wallowy with 270bhp on tap, so I can't imagine its ever worse when you add another 120bhp.
I'm still tempted though. 5Sp box on most of the 4.2SCs and that is known to be dire as well.
Once again, Land Rover ownrship is not for the faint hearted.
bakerstreet said:
swisstoni said:
Personally I’d be looking at a well depreciated L405.
Still plenty to go wrong but aluminium construction.
I have been looking at L405s to replace my L322 as I really do quite like the Range Rover....However Still plenty to go wrong but aluminium construction.
The legendarily bad 3.0 V6 is if course cheaper to run, but there is the ever present crank issue and that is £4-10k on a new engine depending where you go. I'd consider the L494 as well, but same engine.
The 4.4SDV8 is a good option, but I'm scared of the Turbos going on that as from what I have read, that is £6-k and an engine out job to replace.
Everything I have read about the 4.2SC suggests 10mpg on the short journeys and the car is very wallowy with 270bhp on tap, so I can't imagine its ever worse when you add another 120bhp.
I'm still tempted though. 5Sp box on most of the 4.2SCs and that is known to be dire as well.
Once again, Land Rover ownrship is not for the faint hearted.
bakerstreet said:
Everything I have read about the 4.2SC suggests 10mpg on the short journeys and the car is very wallowy with 270bhp on tap, so I can't imagine its ever worse when you add another 120bhp.
I often think this, and the same with the 5.0 unless the active dampers work miracles - the 3.6 TDV8 has more than enough power to tie the chassis in knots 
bakerstreet said:
Everything I have read about the 4.2SC suggests 10mpg on the short journeys and the car is very wallowy with 270bhp on tap, so I can't imagine its ever worse when you add another 120bhp.
I'm still tempted though. 5Sp box on most of the 4.2SCs and that is known to be dire as well.
Mine is an early 2006 4.2S/C and has the 6 speed auto box - I don't think any ever had the 5 speed.I'm still tempted though. 5Sp box on most of the 4.2SCs and that is known to be dire as well.
As to "wallowy" - it's a 2.7 ton vehicle that is 6 feet tall - what do you expect? Take it steady round the corners and then do your catching up on the straight bits!
Deranged Rover said:
Mine is an early 2006 4.2S/C and has the 6 speed auto box - I don't think any ever had the 5 speed.
As to "wallowy" - it's a 2.7 ton vehicle that is 6 feet tall - what do you expect? Take it steady round the corners and then do your catching up on the straight bits!
The competition were considerably better and forced LR to up their game and they added active dampers for the last two years of the L322 and that was in response to cars like the Cayenne GTS and the X5 V8s which were more composed in the corners. As to "wallowy" - it's a 2.7 ton vehicle that is 6 feet tall - what do you expect? Take it steady round the corners and then do your catching up on the straight bits!
L405 moved the game on of course, but totally different car and much lighter too (400Kg I think)
My OH really struggles with the RR and is now taking sea sickness pills when we go on long journeys. Yes she could travel in the fromt with me but our lives are made a bit easier iof we seperate the kids.
I still don't know what to replace the RR with. I flip between the Cayenne 4.2/3.0D and the L494 RRS or the L405 RR. The last two just scare me in terms of them going bang.
bakerstreet said:
The competition were considerably better and forced LR to up their game and they added active dampers for the last two years of the L322 and that was in response to cars like the Cayenne GTS and the X5 V8s which were more composed in the corners.
L405 moved the game on of course, but totally different car and much lighter too (400Kg I think)
My OH really struggles with the RR and is now taking sea sickness pills when we go on long journeys. Yes she could travel in the fromt with me but our lives are made a bit easier iof we seperate the kids.
I still don't know what to replace the RR with. I flip between the Cayenne 4.2/3.0D and the L494 RRS or the L405 RR. The last two just scare me in terms of them going bang.
To be fair, Mrs. D.R. does find my L322 a bit wallowy and has been left a bit queasy after a long journey. Hence this is why we take her Focus ST on long journeys instead, adding in the handy bonus of 29mpg instead of 17!L405 moved the game on of course, but totally different car and much lighter too (400Kg I think)
My OH really struggles with the RR and is now taking sea sickness pills when we go on long journeys. Yes she could travel in the fromt with me but our lives are made a bit easier iof we seperate the kids.
I still don't know what to replace the RR with. I flip between the Cayenne 4.2/3.0D and the L494 RRS or the L405 RR. The last two just scare me in terms of them going bang.
However, the soft ride is one of the things I love about the Range Rover and why I have no interest in any of its competitors that supposedly "handle better". If I wanted to drive something that handled like a normal car, I'd buy a normal car!
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