D4 sweet spot?

[Bill]

Looks like my 2010 D4 has been totalled and, while I'm considering other options, another D4 is very tempting. The only minor downsides of the last one were lack of Android auto or even Bluetooth streaming and not Euro6 so potential for issues with the crit'air ticket in France, plus LEZs in the UK.

However, we live in the sticks and do lots of short journeys. Anything up to an hour away will generally be single carriageway roads with roundabouts and/or traffic. So I'm very wary of DPF issues.

[300bhp/ton]

Not a new Pretender then?

[Bill]

Unfortunate lack of budget, not that I'd want a Grenadier anyway.

[Shuff4]

Are later d4’s 2014< euro 6?

[A.J.M]

Bill said:

Unfortunate lack of budget, not that I'd want a Grenadier anyway.

Home run with that comment.

I would still try for a decent 2014 onwards D4 HSE or HSE luxury.
If in budget.
ULEZ compliant and still new enough for a warranty to cover bits for a while.

[anonymous-user]

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

[Bill]

That's the billion dollar question. Do I avoid DPFs and suck up the occasional LEZ cost and (potentially more hassle) French travel restrictions or take the risk of DPF problems due to rural use.

So how much of an issue is 100 miles per week of short journeys with the occasional longer one and rarer trips on a motorway??

[miniman]

wormus said:

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

Same here. And it has Bluetooth audio streaming.

[LaserTam]

wormus said:

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

You sure no DPF, I have same year and pretty sure mine has, goes into growl mode when on a run.

[anonymous-user]

LaserTam said:

wormus said:

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

You sure no DPF, I have same year and pretty sure mine has, goes into growl mode when on a run.

Yes, although it’s inconclusive as to when they introduced DPFs. It was around early 2012. Mine’s registered Nov 2011, but is a 2012 model with rotary gear knob. Reason I know it has no DPF is helpfully says “non-DPF” on the plate riveted to the bonnet slam panel.

[camel_landy]

A.J.M said:

Bill said:

Unfortunate lack of budget, not that I'd want a Grenadier anyway.

Home run with that comment.

M

[beanoir78]

miniman said:

wormus said:

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

Same here. And it has Bluetooth audio streaming.

Ditto here too, just sailed through its MOT today as well.

Ours does a lot of short journeys (10 mile round trip for the daily school run), but I try to take it out at least once a week to stretch its legs.

Short journeys do murder diesel in these cars though.

[Bill]

wormus said:

Yes, although it’s inconclusive as to when they introduced DPFs. It was around early 2012. Mine’s registered Nov 2011, but is a 2012 model with rotary gear knob. Reason I know it has no DPF is helpfully says “non-DPF” on the plate riveted to the bonnet slam panel.

Cheers all. Is there a way to work out whether it has DPFs from a distance?

And is it possible to remove factory tints? It's not a deal breaker but I'm not a fan.

[camel_landy]

Bill said:

Cheers all. Is there a way to work out whether it has DPFs from a distance?

Not from a distance... You'll have to stick your head underneath and look.

Bill said:

And is it possible to remove factory tints? It's not a deal breaker but I'm not a fan.

I doubt it as IIRC the tinted glass is a different part number completely. ie: it's not a common piece of glass, with the tint applied.

M

[Bill]

Cheers, daft question, but where underneath?? I'd assume near the rear but have no idea.

camel_landy said:

I doubt it

Thought not, but worth asking.

[LaserTam]

wormus said:

LaserTam said:

wormus said:

2012 D4 HSE. It’s got the 8 speed gearbox and twin turbos, but without DPFs or stop-start. I think this is the sweet spot. I’ve got one and it’s been totally reliable.

You sure no DPF, I have same year and pretty sure mine has, goes into growl mode when on a run.

Yes, although it’s inconclusive as to when they introduced DPFs. It was around early 2012. Mine’s registered Nov 2011, but is a 2012 model with rotary gear knob. Reason I know it has no DPF is helpfully says “non-DPF” on the plate riveted to the bonnet slam panel.

I've just gone at looked at mine. It was registered in Dec 2011, is 8 speed rotary gear knobs. It does have a plate on the right side under the bonnet, but it has 4 entries in a table



So I think I can discount the bottom entry as 2.7 is referring to engine size. But that leaves 3 others. No clue which mine would be. Anyone any idea how to differentiate?

To the OP, the answer to this may help you determine if a car has DPF.

[anonymous-user]

Taken from another forum:

Character 8 of the VIN identifies the engine. The data below comes from the LR workshop literature and is valid for UK, Europe and ROW markets.

8 - Engine
1 276DT - V6 2.7 Diesel
D 508PN - V8 5.0 NA Petrol
F 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel without cDPF
G 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel with cDPF
M 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel with cDPF
N 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel without cDPF
V 306PS - V6 3.0 SC Petrol

[LaserTam]

wormus said:

Taken from another forum:

Character 8 of the VIN identifies the engine. The data below comes from the LR workshop literature and is valid for UK, Europe and ROW markets.

8 - Engine
1 276DT - V6 2.7 Diesel
D 508PN - V8 5.0 NA Petrol
F 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel without cDPF
G 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel with cDPF
M 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel with cDPF
N 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel without cDPF
V 306PS - V6 3.0 SC Petrol

Thanks. So I do have DPF, based on that.

[camel_landy]

wormus said:

Taken from another forum:

Character 8 of the VIN identifies the engine. The data below comes from the LR workshop literature and is valid for UK, Europe and ROW markets.

8 - Engine
1 276DT - V6 2.7 Diesel
D 508PN - V8 5.0 NA Petrol
F 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel without cDPF
G 306DT - V6 3.0 High power diesel with cDPF
M 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel with cDPF
N 306DT - V6 3.0 Low power diesel without cDPF
V 306PS - V6 3.0 SC Petrol

VIN - Good call.

M

[300bhp/ton]

A.J.M said:

Bill said:

Unfortunate lack of budget, not that I'd want a Grenadier anyway.

Home run with that comment.

More of an own goal... but then you seem to have come over all American