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just been reading an owners feedbacks on the FL2 .
All 4/5 - 5/5 reviews .
compare this to the Evoque , Disco Sport etc and this 2014 and older machine is still wowing its owners .
Disco 5 , Ingenium Diesel 2 litre . 44,000 miler and bang .£11,500 to repair. Had my TD5 90 mot'd and was telling mechanic , he has 45,000 miler in for new engine . He is an old school mechanic who can rebuild and repair , but he is justing sending all newer engined vehicles to LR for repair . INgenium engines are hard to fix , if he fits an engine and it fails LR basically blame him . Not worth the hassle . His parting words " if LR cannot build engines to last more than 50k miles what chance have I got ?"
I have had LR for years , all Puma engines are iffy especially if you tow , Ingenium Diesels to expensive to repair to take the risk . Still got TD5 but bought a D5 Volvo .......basically a FL2 underneath .
All 4/5 - 5/5 reviews .
compare this to the Evoque , Disco Sport etc and this 2014 and older machine is still wowing its owners .
Disco 5 , Ingenium Diesel 2 litre . 44,000 miler and bang .£11,500 to repair. Had my TD5 90 mot'd and was telling mechanic , he has 45,000 miler in for new engine . He is an old school mechanic who can rebuild and repair , but he is justing sending all newer engined vehicles to LR for repair . INgenium engines are hard to fix , if he fits an engine and it fails LR basically blame him . Not worth the hassle . His parting words " if LR cannot build engines to last more than 50k miles what chance have I got ?"
I have had LR for years , all Puma engines are iffy especially if you tow , Ingenium Diesels to expensive to repair to take the risk . Still got TD5 but bought a D5 Volvo .......basically a FL2 underneath .
freshbread said:
just been reading an owners feedbacks on the FL2 .
All 4/5 - 5/5 reviews .
compare this to the Evoque , Disco Sport etc and this 2014 and older machine is still wowing its owners .
Disco 5 , Ingenium Diesel 2 litre . 44,000 miler and bang .£11,500 to repair. Had my TD5 90 mot'd and was telling mechanic , he has 45,000 miler in for new engine . He is an old school mechanic who can rebuild and repair , but he is justing sending all newer engined vehicles to LR for repair . INgenium engines are hard to fix , if he fits an engine and it fails LR basically blame him . Not worth the hassle . His parting words " if LR cannot build engines to last more than 50k miles what chance have I got ?"
I have had LR for years , all Puma engines are iffy especially if you tow , Ingenium Diesels to expensive to repair to take the risk . Still got TD5 but bought a D5 Volvo .......basically a FL2 underneath .
If they are that bad, why buy one?All 4/5 - 5/5 reviews .
compare this to the Evoque , Disco Sport etc and this 2014 and older machine is still wowing its owners .
Disco 5 , Ingenium Diesel 2 litre . 44,000 miler and bang .£11,500 to repair. Had my TD5 90 mot'd and was telling mechanic , he has 45,000 miler in for new engine . He is an old school mechanic who can rebuild and repair , but he is justing sending all newer engined vehicles to LR for repair . INgenium engines are hard to fix , if he fits an engine and it fails LR basically blame him . Not worth the hassle . His parting words " if LR cannot build engines to last more than 50k miles what chance have I got ?"
I have had LR for years , all Puma engines are iffy especially if you tow , Ingenium Diesels to expensive to repair to take the risk . Still got TD5 but bought a D5 Volvo .......basically a FL2 underneath .
Or are you making some other point?
let's make it a real thread.
I came here looking for FL2 advice.
I need a car with high ground clearance for a mile long rough track to a new house. nice to have some "country" ability, but there's no real off road requirement. it would be a local country hack and some longer journeys. I've chosen a CX-5 as the driver's choice of modern crossover. Obviously a bit boring, so broaden the search to characterful 4x4 from the past: Toyota, classic RR, Defender etc. possibly fun, but high tax and all old (maintenance). I'm not a spanner man, so work has to be done by someone else. I'd discounted the Evoque as just too pricey for what it is - I'll take a modern (reliable) CX-5 over that.
You can see where this goes.... FL2. say 2012-14 to have faults ironed out and not too old.
I need to go drive one. any comments on:
- comfort and drive (comparing to 2021 alternatives)
- reliability, especially leave you at roadside issues
- 2wd version? it would suit my needs
- 150 or 190 or petrol? issues, benefits
I'm warming very much to the idea. it looks classic and I don't mind a bit more upkeep £ for some fun British heritage.
I came here looking for FL2 advice.
I need a car with high ground clearance for a mile long rough track to a new house. nice to have some "country" ability, but there's no real off road requirement. it would be a local country hack and some longer journeys. I've chosen a CX-5 as the driver's choice of modern crossover. Obviously a bit boring, so broaden the search to characterful 4x4 from the past: Toyota, classic RR, Defender etc. possibly fun, but high tax and all old (maintenance). I'm not a spanner man, so work has to be done by someone else. I'd discounted the Evoque as just too pricey for what it is - I'll take a modern (reliable) CX-5 over that.
You can see where this goes.... FL2. say 2012-14 to have faults ironed out and not too old.
I need to go drive one. any comments on:
- comfort and drive (comparing to 2021 alternatives)
- reliability, especially leave you at roadside issues
- 2wd version? it would suit my needs
- 150 or 190 or petrol? issues, benefits
I'm warming very much to the idea. it looks classic and I don't mind a bit more upkeep £ for some fun British heritage.
CABC said:
let's make it a real thread.
I came here looking for FL2 advice.
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so go visit best FL2 site https://www.freel2.com/forum/index.phpI came here looking for FL2 advice.
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good luck
PS you know they are really a FORD ?
I have the very first version of the Disco Sport. LR did not have it available very long before the switch to the ingenium engines. It has the Ford 2.2 L engine as per the FL2. So no ad blue, no DFP issues etc. Only problem is that it is encap 5, but I do little big city driving so I'm not worried by that.
R.
R.
LargeRed said:
so go visit best FL2 site https://www.freel2.com/forum/index.php
good luck
PS you know they are really a FORD ?
great thanks!good luck
PS you know they are really a FORD ?
It looks like a mini-RR inside, part of the appeal. under no illusions it's not actually RR, but it gets great reviews.
as Ford had no equivalent at the time I'm guessing LR had to properly develop the suspension themselves? so it's not quite the same as the X-Type?
The Leaper said:
I have the very first version of the Disco Sport. LR did not have it available very long before the switch to the ingenium engines. It has the Ford 2.2 L engine as per the FL2. So no ad blue, no DFP issues etc. Only problem is that it is encap 5, but I do little big city driving so I'm not worried by that.
R.
so hopefully a little more reliable?R.
lack of ULEZ is a little concern, as it limits flexibility, but probably ok - especially if the price reflected this. I suspect haggle time would gain a little more.
I’ve got a 2014 one and have to say it’s ok but not brilliant.
2 wheel bearings, rear diff seal, rear shocks and springs, turbo actuator have all needed changed. Thankfully the rear diff hasn’t packed in and the haldex has been serviced so that shouldn’t happen.
Mpg struggles to get above 32 average. Which isn’t the 40 claimed and isn’t really much better than the 25 average of the D3.
The auto box has a really annoying habit of going from 3rd to 2nd at roundabouts then revving it’s head off for ages before changing up.
The boot is s
t. It’s far too small for the size of the car.
Biggest gripe with the car is the boot as it’s too much of a squeeze for 2 Labradors.
Had it since November and done nearly 10k in it and I’m just not gelling with it. It’s got no character and is just bland motoring.
Truthfully I can’t wait to get rid of it and get back in my D3.
2 wheel bearings, rear diff seal, rear shocks and springs, turbo actuator have all needed changed. Thankfully the rear diff hasn’t packed in and the haldex has been serviced so that shouldn’t happen.
Mpg struggles to get above 32 average. Which isn’t the 40 claimed and isn’t really much better than the 25 average of the D3.
The auto box has a really annoying habit of going from 3rd to 2nd at roundabouts then revving it’s head off for ages before changing up.
The boot is s
t. It’s far too small for the size of the car.Biggest gripe with the car is the boot as it’s too much of a squeeze for 2 Labradors.
Had it since November and done nearly 10k in it and I’m just not gelling with it. It’s got no character and is just bland motoring.
Truthfully I can’t wait to get rid of it and get back in my D3.
CABC said:
It looks like a mini-RR inside, part of the appeal. under no illusions it's not actually RR, but it gets great reviews.
The Evoque is the mini-RR, the Freelander 2 is more like a mini-Discovery.FWIW - The Evoques of this period are pretty much the same as the Freelander with regards to running gear. If you don't need the extra space of the Freelander, maybe have a look at those too.
CABC said:
as Ford had no equivalent at the time I'm guessing LR had to properly develop the suspension themselves? so it's not quite the same as the X-Type?
The Freelander 2 was released back in 2006, when JLR were part of PAG (Premier Automotive Group), owned by Ford. JLR did a lot of the development themselves but incorporating standard Ford components. eg: Engines (which were also shared with Volvo), hub assemblies, etc...IIRC - The Freelander 2 was the first platform to use the 2.2 diesel.
M
A.J.M said:
Had it since November and done nearly 10k in it and I’m just not gelling with it. It’s got no character and is just bland motoring.
Truthfully I can’t wait to get rid of it and get back in my D3.
Yes... It's a car. '"It does what it says on the tin."Truthfully I can’t wait to get rid of it and get back in my D3.
It's very capable and just does what's asked of it, without fuss or drama. Being smaller and circa 1ton lighter than the D3 makes a big difference.
....but I agree, the D3/4 is a hard car to beat with regards to practicality.
M
CABC said:
The Leaper said:
I have the very first version of the Disco Sport. LR did not have it available very long before the switch to the ingenium engines. It has the Ford 2.2 L engine as per the FL2. So no ad blue, no DFP issues etc. Only problem is that it is encap 5, but I do little big city driving so I'm not worried by that.
R.
so hopefully a little more reliable?R.
lack of ULEZ is a little concern, as it limits flexibility, but probably ok - especially if the price reflected this. I suspect haggle time would gain a little more.
R.
camel_landy said:
CABC said:
It looks like a mini-RR inside, part of the appeal. under no illusions it's not actually RR, but it gets great reviews.
The Freelander 2 is more like a mini-Discovery.......I have had mine for 6 years and only replaced the turbo hose. in 45K miles. (now got 127k on the clock.)
PS, in it's day the Evoque was named the Baby RR by the press on and before its release.
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