Late L322 TDV8 Questions

[Stick Legs]

Hello,

I'm looking at late L322's with the TDV8 engine. Is there a huge real world difference between the 3.6 and the 4.4?
I'm going to be occasionally towing a 14' Ifor Williams or a car trailer with it. Other than that it's going to be used as a 'car' rather than a 'truck'.

I can tolerate >20mpg but not much less, should I consider the 5.0 n/a V8 or even the S/C or are these seriously silly mpg?

Also is there a particular year I should try to buy before or after, or is it a case of the latest lowest mileage best condition is the best?

Lastly I see a lot of vehicles that look nice at a specialist retailer near Oldham. Anyone have any experience with them?

Thanks in advance.

[camel_landy]

There is a difference between the 3.6 & 4.4 but it's not 'huge'. The 4.4 also came with the 8spd gearbox, so the differences are a combination of both.

Both engines are capable of 'Intergalactic' miles, though some people have reported problems with the turbos on the 3.6. The main downside of the 4.4 is the DPF.

Either way, both engines are great to drive, don't be afraid of 'high-mileage' cars (buy on condition) and they'll both tow that trailer without you even noticing.

M

[Stick Legs]

Thanks, is the DPF issue one of not enough long trip use or a more inherent flaw?

If taking it for a long motorway run once every so often is required that's hardly a chore!

[sandman77]

I have not driven the 4.4 but from what I have read on the FFRR forum it is a superb engine and gearbox combo. The price difference between the 4.4 and the 3.6 was just too much for me when I was on the market.
I have a late 3.6 with the facelift and digital dash which I think is a good option to go for.

[Kickstart]

Had both engined models and also towed with them extensively - best cars ever for towing IMHO

My impression was that the 4.4 felt a more modern vehicle which was partly related to the gearbox but bigger engined car definitely has more grunt.

If you can find a good one the 4.4 is worth the extra- sold mine 2 years ago at 160k miles and still miss it

Currently use a 300hp Velar which is pants in comparison

[camel_landy]

Stick Legs said:

Thanks, is the DPF issue one of not enough long trip use or a more inherent flaw?

If taking it for a long motorway run once every so often is required that's hardly a chore!

Not an inherent flaw, just simply the usual DPF issues if there are too many short journeys.

M

[CAPP0]

Stick Legs said:

Hello,



I can tolerate >20mpg but not much less, should I consider the 5.0 n/a V8 or even the S/C or are these seriously silly mpg?

AFAIK there is no n/a 5.0 V8. The n/a V8s stopped with the last of the 4.4 AJV8s in around 2006/2007. That's a good engine but relatively rare, and the car will be older.

My 5.0 SC generally returns around 20mpg average; bit less if I'm in town all the time, bit more on longer runs. I don't cane it (often!) I just drive "normally", ie not fast, not slow. It would be less if towing but that will apply across the range.

Edited by CAPP0 on Sunday 8th August 12:00

[camel_landy]

CAPP0 said:

AFAIK there is no n/a 5.0 V8.

Technically there is but it was never sold in the European market...

M

[Stick Legs]

camel_landy said:

CAPP0 said:

AFAIK there is no n/a 5.0 V8.

Technically there is but it was never sold in the European market...

M

I was looking online at stuff, so I guess the Jaguar 5.0 n/a was a ROW option.

[camel_landy]

Stick Legs said:

camel_landy said:

CAPP0 said:

AFAIK there is no n/a 5.0 V8.

Technically there is but it was never sold in the European market...

I was looking online at stuff, so I guess the Jaguar 5.0 n/a was a ROW option.

TBH - It was probably in all other markets (NA, RoW, etc...), other than Europe.

M

[The Leaper]

camel_landy said:

Stick Legs said:

camel_landy said:

CAPP0 said:

AFAIK there is no n/a 5.0 V8.

Technically there is but it was never sold in the European market...

I was looking online at stuff, so I guess the Jaguar 5.0 n/a was a ROW option.

TBH - It was probably in all other markets (NA, RoW, etc...), other than Europe.

M

I had a Jaguar XF 5.0 V8 n/a, great car, engine etc.. This engine was the standard for Jaguar's USA market at the time and was not published as being available to the UK market. Nevertheless, it was available to special order. I think there are 100 or so in the UK.

My car was ordered by a Jaguar executive, so it was totally loaded, so much so it was especially named as a "Studio" model in all the paperwork.

I do not know if Land Rover do the same thing...you could ask.

R.

[KungFuPanda]

Try and get late 2010 onwards with the digital dash. Spec wise I reckon you should be going for Westminster. I might be wrong but I’m sure that spec had everything on before the L322 was superseded by the L405.

[Stick Legs]

KungFuPanda said:

Try and get late 2010 onwards with the digital dash. Spec wise I reckon you should be going for Westminster. I might be wrong but I’m sure that spec had everything on before the L322 was superseded by the L405.

Thanks,
I was looking through the 2012 Brochure which I discovered in my collection, and the Westminster looks like it has everything you want, the Autobiography is a bit Cheshire for my tastes.

Now to find an Aintree Green 4.4 TDV8 Westminster with Parchment interior in mint condition...

I'm not in a hurry so one will turn up I am sure.

[Rufus Stone]

Stick Legs said:

Thanks,
I was looking through the 2012 Brochure which I discovered in my collection, and the Westminster looks like it has everything you want, the Autobiography is a bit Cheshire for my tastes.

Now to find an Aintree Green 4.4 TDV8 Westminster with Parchment interior in mint condition...

I'm not in a hurry so one will turn up I am sure.

I've had both engines and the 4.4 is much better. Mine is a 2012 Westminster, 54000 miles now. I've had it three years. I average 30 mpg over 6000 miles per annum.

Budget £1000 for annual service/repairs/MOT though. It is a 9 year old car after all.

[MarcelM6]

Had both, and I think it's the 8 speed gearbox that makes the biggest difference. Engine characters are a bit different but nothing significant.

Can attest to the DPF problem due to short journeys on the 4.4. It needs a proper motorway run at least once a fortnight.

Westminster spec is variable, Vogue SE is also good to look out for. Usually better spec than Westminster. Looks like you're looking for an unusual colour combo, most of the ones I have seen are navy or black.

[CAPP0]

I thought the Westminster spec was the "run-out" spec at the end of each model run? I believe it's not up to AB spec, it has some but not all AB options, but of course the optional extras list was extensive so other bits may have been added when new.

[camel_landy]

CAPP0 said:

I thought the Westminster spec was the "run-out" spec at the end of each model run? I believe it's not up to AB spec, it has some but not all AB options, but of course the optional extras list was extensive so other bits may have been added when new.

IIRC - Westminster was effectively Vogue SE spec but with better quality leather.

M

[AR101]

The last derivatives were Westminster and Autobiography. Westminster had Vogue seats and a few other bits but definitely not VSE spec.

[MarcelM6]

My Westminster hasn't got adaptive cruise nor adaptive headlights. Both standards on VSE. As they are run out editions I assume they eventually started running out of components and therefore left some options off.

[Stick Legs]

Thanks for that, I'm not into the look of the Autobiography's body kit & don't want side steps either.

I do want fluffy headlining and heated & cooled seats as well as Harman Kardon.

I'm patient so will wait for the ideal one, but thanks for the explanation of VSE/Westminster. that helps.