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Just been quoted ‘around £20,000’ for a replacement main body harness for a 2016 Vogue - can that possibly be correct ?
The (Landrover) explanation I got was that every individual one is created to match the chassis number which means a lead time of 3-4 months in normal times, and longer nowadays.
Even with that explanation the cost seems ridiculous.
The (Landrover) explanation I got was that every individual one is created to match the chassis number which means a lead time of 3-4 months in normal times, and longer nowadays.
Even with that explanation the cost seems ridiculous.
Yes, the looms are made to match up with the models being produced
20K is for a one off loom yet seems far too expensive
Vehicle is surely a write-off yet a good one to buy back as a DIY project
Lots of looms at ebay and the breakers
The thing is, once the vehicle is stripped down to gain access to the damaged areas a good Auto Electrician will be well capable of carrying out the repairs, especially if a donor loom is at hand
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Wi...
20K is for a one off loom yet seems far too expensive
Vehicle is surely a write-off yet a good one to buy back as a DIY project
Lots of looms at ebay and the breakers
The thing is, once the vehicle is stripped down to gain access to the damaged areas a good Auto Electrician will be well capable of carrying out the repairs, especially if a donor loom is at hand
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Wi...
Yes, but it is Landrover pricing !
I take the point about second hand parts but the guy told me every new harness is created to exactly match the original one using the vehicle chassis number. This was the reason for the cost and the timescale.
So, if it was to be a diy job one might accept a used part on the basis that a few electrics might not work.
Ideally I’d prefer to get the vehicle back fully fixed, but given the cost and timings it’s looking unlikely.
I take the point about second hand parts but the guy told me every new harness is created to exactly match the original one using the vehicle chassis number. This was the reason for the cost and the timescale.
So, if it was to be a diy job one might accept a used part on the basis that a few electrics might not work.
Ideally I’d prefer to get the vehicle back fully fixed, but given the cost and timings it’s looking unlikely.
The looms are made to the spec of the vehicle and there should be many with the same spec as yours
The mentioning of chassis number is all about the looms arriving at the factory with a chassis number or some other ID on them
There won't be many if any one-off looms
Anyway, a good auto electrician will repair or modify a loom to suit for much less than 20K
The mentioning of chassis number is all about the looms arriving at the factory with a chassis number or some other ID on them
There won't be many if any one-off looms
Anyway, a good auto electrician will repair or modify a loom to suit for much less than 20K
Runnyg said:
Just been quoted ‘around £20,000’ for a replacement main body harness for a 2016 Vogue - can that possibly be correct ?
The (Landrover) explanation I got was that every individual one is created to match the chassis number which means a lead time of 3-4 months in normal times, and longer nowadays.
Even with that explanation the cost seems ridiculous.
The harness will be a certain spec depending on the factory options fitted. The lead time isn’t how long to make one harness it’s the time it takes for your order to be top of the list and made. So £20k is steep pretending it takes four months make. The (Landrover) explanation I got was that every individual one is created to match the chassis number which means a lead time of 3-4 months in normal times, and longer nowadays.
Even with that explanation the cost seems ridiculous.
If a dealer is to fit it I would imagine you feel it’s the best place? How much is an hours Labour at the chosen dealer? How many hours to totally strip your car? How many hours to remove damaged loom? How many hours to fit new loom? And how many hours to rebuild the entire vehicle? None of that includes the price of the new loom or replacing any one use only components that currently hold parts of the interior together. Then add vat. Unfortunately it soon adds up. As already mentioned it’s a good car to buy off insurance to repair bit by bit. Provided you don’t park it where it’s been rodent damaged again!
I’ve only had the vehicle 8 months and it was purchased from a Landrover authorised dealer after their 180 point check, service and mot so it wasn’t damaged then.
It’s been used every day since so I think the little b
d(s) must’ve been living in it even when mobile.
We do live in the countryside but I’ve never known anyone have to write off a regularly used (£35-40k) car because of rodent damage.
The 3-4 months was lead time, not build time.
It’s been used every day since so I think the little b
d(s) must’ve been living in it even when mobile.We do live in the countryside but I’ve never known anyone have to write off a regularly used (£35-40k) car because of rodent damage.
The 3-4 months was lead time, not build time.
The vast majority of the loom runs within the car so its unlikely that part is damaged , the wiring to the engine and brakes is exposed on all cars so the rodents could potentially eat your next car . Looking where you live there must be more than one competent electronics engineers who could repair your car by soldering in new sections !
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Penelope Stopit said:
The looms are made to the spec of the vehicle and there should be many with the same spec as yours
The mentioning of chassis number is all about the looms arriving at the factory with a chassis number or some other ID on them
There won't be many if any one-off looms
Anyway, a good auto electrician will repair or modify a loom to suit for much less than 20K
JLR may be different, but most production cars here only have one wiring harness for all models.The mentioning of chassis number is all about the looms arriving at the factory with a chassis number or some other ID on them
There won't be many if any one-off looms
Anyway, a good auto electrician will repair or modify a loom to suit for much less than 20K
Makes economic sense to use a top of the range model harness on a base model and simply leave any extra connectors just hanging.
So there's only one production line for making the harness and only one harness to keep in stock for all models.
My Chevy Colorado has manual windows and locks, but still has the connectors for power windows and door locks.
NMNeil said:
JLR may be different, but most production cars here only have one wiring harness for all models.
Makes economic sense to use a top of the range model harness on a base model and simply leave any extra connectors just hanging.
So there's only one production line for making the harness and only one harness to keep in stock for all models.
My Chevy Colorado has manual windows and locks, but still has the connectors for power windows and door locks.
Few years old, but past thread - with interesting final post comment about Land Rover! https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...Makes economic sense to use a top of the range model harness on a base model and simply leave any extra connectors just hanging.
So there's only one production line for making the harness and only one harness to keep in stock for all models.
My Chevy Colorado has manual windows and locks, but still has the connectors for power windows and door locks.
A.J.M said:
I wound be taking that to a good lane river specialist and getting them to fix it.
JAS in York get a great reputation.
A few mates have used them for various repairs and been very happy.
I have to say, I used them a few times but the last couple of occasions they were not good, so never again.JAS in York get a great reputation.
A few mates have used them for various repairs and been very happy.
I thought looms were standard? I know the Discovery 3 had additional plugs for the rear e-diff and front spots and they were just left unconnected. However I appreciate that LRs have moved on considerably.
I would certainly try an automotive electrician, but modern LRs are incredibly complicated and it may require a very competent specialist or a main dealer.
As others have said, it does look like a write off to me. Lowest RRS are going for £24k now. My guess is scrap is £15k ish possibly less.
I would certainly try an automotive electrician, but modern LRs are incredibly complicated and it may require a very competent specialist or a main dealer.
As others have said, it does look like a write off to me. Lowest RRS are going for £24k now. My guess is scrap is £15k ish possibly less.
NMNeil said:
JLR may be different, but most production cars here only have one wiring harness for all models.
Makes economic sense to use a top of the range model harness on a base model and simply leave any extra connectors just hanging.
So there's only one production line for making the harness and only one harness to keep in stock for all models.
My Chevy Colorado has manual windows and locks, but still has the connectors for power windows and door locks.
I'm not sure that's as universal as it used to be. I know my old Cayenne had specific wiring as you couldn't do things like upgrading things like halogen headlamps to factory xenon without major surgeryMakes economic sense to use a top of the range model harness on a base model and simply leave any extra connectors just hanging.
So there's only one production line for making the harness and only one harness to keep in stock for all models.
My Chevy Colorado has manual windows and locks, but still has the connectors for power windows and door locks.
It probably depends on volumes and manufacturing methods. The connectors and wires themselves often aren't cheap, and if you've got a highly automated production, logistics and assembly process you're probably more likely to exploit your infrastructure to save everything you can on hardware.
If you've got low volumes and/or manual process then you'll probably just have one, or perhaps a handful of different parts
Something like a Colorado, they might have a thousand mexicans in a shed assembling looms and therefore it's too complex to organise creating looms for each vehicle. Alternatively it might be so high a volume that the economy of scale means that hardware costs GM virtually nothing and the logistics of bespoke looms doesn't make financial sense even with automated production
Either way it seems daft that JLR don't just have a fully featured loom as a stocked part for this sort of eventuality.
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