Range Rover P400e
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I’ve owned mine for 1 year now, from new, 4500 miles. Typically get 20 miles battery range. In the Alps the best I got was 46 measured EV miles from one charge. It is variable. Fuel economy in Save mode ranges from 16 mpg to 38 mpg. My typical weekend usage sees me doing 30 mpg for some journeys, with many on EV only at 250+mpg. But I did not buy this for the economy, so I don’t care about that honestly, especially being low mileage the difference between 15 mpg and 50 mpg is lose change. No, instead, I bought this a). For EV running in my local area, underground car parks etc. And b). For the performance, as the P400e goes like s
t off a sh0vel. I could have bought the 5.0 but then I wouldn’t have gotten my EV silent running, which is frankly epic. I love this car.
I highly recommend the 1700w hifi and HUD. The hot stone massage is a bit of a gimmick, although I do enjoy it (I have a bad back). The exec rear seats are classy, but do eat into boot space... worth it for us, being just a family of 3. A family of 5 would struggle, I reckon.
Anyway, just buy it, ask questions later!
t off a sh0vel. I could have bought the 5.0 but then I wouldn’t have gotten my EV silent running, which is frankly epic. I love this car.I highly recommend the 1700w hifi and HUD. The hot stone massage is a bit of a gimmick, although I do enjoy it (I have a bad back). The exec rear seats are classy, but do eat into boot space... worth it for us, being just a family of 3. A family of 5 would struggle, I reckon.
Anyway, just buy it, ask questions later!
A good friend has one and really doesn’t rate it. Describes it as “the accountants choice”. He’s out in the country so most of the time it’s running as a 2l 4cylinder turbo, which isn’t really what most would choose to haul a RR around. On electric and at a steady motorway cruise it’s ok, but when out of battery and needing to change speed it’s not very refined/potent. Not sure if new ones have the deplorable tow bar, but his is further blighted with one of the enormous multi-height plates. He’s only had it a few months but has already decided it’ll be something different when he next changes.
Second the point about exec rear seats. There’s already less boot space with the hybrid but the exec seats eat a fair amount of space on all variants. You don’t have to have them though. A less reclinable option is available.
Second the point about exec rear seats. There’s already less boot space with the hybrid but the exec seats eat a fair amount of space on all variants. You don’t have to have them though. A less reclinable option is available.
I have had a p400e Autobiography since March 2019. I really like it.
I think they are the best engine choice. I've had the 4.4SDV8 previously and test drove the 5.0SC when deciding. I like the silence - it gives the car exactly the wafting ability it deserves. Also there is an immediacy to the power - something which the SDV8 and SC engines fail to deliver from standstill (there is a hesitation and reluctance to step off the line with both those engines).
I get 20miles out of a charge. Obviously, it is a better in spring and autumn than in winter.
I like not having to put DERV in the thing.
The fuel economy will depend on how one uses it. I charge it at every opportunity. Most of my journeys are short so I use little petrol. For long periods I'll see 200mpg+. However, long motorway journeys, with my lead foot, that drops significantly - I get about 20mpg. Looking at the blended mix, I get 40mpg+ on my particular types of journeys. It's good offroad - the torque is available immediately.
The downsides? The 2.0l is a bit raucous if you put the hammer down. The best description was Henry Catchpole's - "it sounds like someone in a hot hatch racing next to you". There can be no spare. The boot is fractionally smaller. You can't have the electric towbar. Some of the transitions from electric to hybrid and back again are not as seamless as one would like.
I think they are the best engine choice. I've had the 4.4SDV8 previously and test drove the 5.0SC when deciding. I like the silence - it gives the car exactly the wafting ability it deserves. Also there is an immediacy to the power - something which the SDV8 and SC engines fail to deliver from standstill (there is a hesitation and reluctance to step off the line with both those engines).
I get 20miles out of a charge. Obviously, it is a better in spring and autumn than in winter.
I like not having to put DERV in the thing.
The fuel economy will depend on how one uses it. I charge it at every opportunity. Most of my journeys are short so I use little petrol. For long periods I'll see 200mpg+. However, long motorway journeys, with my lead foot, that drops significantly - I get about 20mpg. Looking at the blended mix, I get 40mpg+ on my particular types of journeys. It's good offroad - the torque is available immediately.
The downsides? The 2.0l is a bit raucous if you put the hammer down. The best description was Henry Catchpole's - "it sounds like someone in a hot hatch racing next to you". There can be no spare. The boot is fractionally smaller. You can't have the electric towbar. Some of the transitions from electric to hybrid and back again are not as seamless as one would like.
I have a 2018 4.4 and thinking of one of these. Only because of the personal and business tax breaks as a business owner. I haven't done the maths yet but seems to make a lot of sense. My driving has also changed. I do no business mileage at the moment as its all by zoom/ teams, I can see this continuing after covid. I do less Dad taxiing s my kids are driving/ learning. My office is 3 miles down a lane so I could charge every night and just use the electric part. I do a bit of offroading and the lanes near my home are awful.
Throttle Body said:
The thing that I really like about the P400e (although mine is a RR Sport) is the electric preconditioning which makes the car warm and clear of ice and condensation without burning diesel.
Agreed - though my LR app won't let me turn it on (luckily there is an old app which still works)Another FFRR p400 here, private purchase. It's an excellent vehicle (so are all l405s...) I get circa 25miles consistently in town and its silent.
For long journeys, which I do a lot, I will get about 23mpg, which isnt great, but its got decent overtaking power, pulls away very nicely and you do get the benefit of instant torque. Better than the 3.0V6 as you get the same anti roll tech as the 4.4 and the SC.
Winter will default to using the engine which is only intrusive until it warms up, which takes a couple of mins. You can recover charge on downhill sections etc, but nothing like a pure EV.
I have the AB but the VSE is probably enough for anyone. Another positive is cheap or free parking in many cities including London. I paid £2.36 for four hours in SW1 on Saturday, including a full charge!
100% recommended, I don't think there are any compromises.
For long journeys, which I do a lot, I will get about 23mpg, which isnt great, but its got decent overtaking power, pulls away very nicely and you do get the benefit of instant torque. Better than the 3.0V6 as you get the same anti roll tech as the 4.4 and the SC.
Winter will default to using the engine which is only intrusive until it warms up, which takes a couple of mins. You can recover charge on downhill sections etc, but nothing like a pure EV.
I have the AB but the VSE is probably enough for anyone. Another positive is cheap or free parking in many cities including London. I paid £2.36 for four hours in SW1 on Saturday, including a full charge!
100% recommended, I don't think there are any compromises.
AstonZagato said:
I think they are the best engine choice. I've had the 4.4SDV8 previously and test drove the 5.0SC when deciding. I like the silence - it gives the car exactly the wafting ability it deserves. Also there is an immediacy to the power - something which the SDV8 and SC engines fail to deliver from standstill (there is a hesitation and reluctance to step off the line with both those engines).
Had a 4.4SDSV8 for a long weekend and run a 5l s/c as my daily. Yes the hybrid may feel quicker to 5mph due to the instant pick up of electric, but beyond this it’s hard to rationalise it being better than either of the other two if you tend to be of heavy right foot or your journeys go beyond the electric range. Once the battery is done, you’re trying to lug all the hybrid kit around with an engine less than half the size... If there was a 300 mile, all electric, that didn’t have the boot space/tow bar comprises (and could drag 3.5t) then it would probably be very attractive.
AstonZagato said:
Agreed - though my LR app won't let me turn it on (luckily there is an old app which still works)
there's a update of the "new" app recently released that sorts it.I can't say for the FFRR as I've got a RRS but regarding the tow bar, i also didn't want the official hideous multi-height LR one hanging out the back, I've just fitted a Tow Trust bar that's completely hoiden behind the removable panel when not in use, might be worth investigating...
i find the EV miles vary massively, if your 4 up and its freezing cold, with heated seats/steering wheel/both screens on it sometimes doesn't do much more than 10miles before the battery is depleted (although its never 100% depleted)
great car though, really liking mine, its satisfying seeing 250+ MPG for 90% of the journeys
LooneyTunes said:
AstonZagato said:
I think they are the best engine choice. I've had the 4.4SDV8 previously and test drove the 5.0SC when deciding. I like the silence - it gives the car exactly the wafting ability it deserves. Also there is an immediacy to the power - something which the SDV8 and SC engines fail to deliver from standstill (there is a hesitation and reluctance to step off the line with both those engines).
Had a 4.4SDSV8 for a long weekend and run a 5l s/c as my daily. Yes the hybrid may feel quicker to 5mph due to the instant pick up of electric, but beyond this it’s hard to rationalise it being better than either of the other two if you tend to be of heavy right foot or your journeys go beyond the electric range. Once the battery is done, you’re trying to lug all the hybrid kit around with an engine less than half the size... If there was a 300 mile, all electric, that didn’t have the boot space/tow bar comprises (and could drag 3.5t) then it would probably be very attractive.
That 400bhp is made up of two elements. The petrol engine has a remarkable 300bhp and the electric engine adds another 100bhp. If one actually looks at what it takes to maintain motorways speeds, it is a fraction of the petrol's 300bhp (I can look at this on my Aston and 70mph at a constant cruise requires about 50bhp from memory). One needs the extra power for acceleration from, say 50mph to 85mph. But that is just a few seconds - and the battery will always have gained enough from regen to provide that. One can see it on the power meter in the car - the "Boost" section is the full 400bhp. I've never found myself unable to access this, even when the battery is showing as empty.
Therefore, there isn't more weight to haul around and the 400bhp is there when you need it, in real world driving. Ok, if one were trying to cross Germany on unlimited Autobahns at vMax, it would be a problem and if one were using all the acceleration all the time - say lapping the 'Ring - it wouldn't work. But in driving from London to Northumberland at faster than average motorway speeds, one wouldn't notice the difference versus the diesel other than fuel consumption (worse in the hybrid).
To be clear, if your driving is a 100 mile commute and you spend every weekend clocking up 300 mile journeys, the diesel is the car to buy. If you tow, the diesel or 5.0l petrol would be far better. But if you do sub-10 mile commutes and only do long trips a few times a year (and top up the battery every night), the p400e is unbeatable.
I would buy a 300 mile all electric Rangie too. I have a Tesla Model X but it's no Range Rover.
AstonZagato said:
To be clear, if your driving is a 100 mile commute and you spend every weekend clocking up 300 mile journeys, the diesel is the car to buy. If you tow, the diesel or 5.0l petrol would be far better. But if you do sub-10 mile commutes and only do long trips a few times a year (and top up the battery every night), the p400e is unbeatable.
Agree, the use case is the important bit. Out in the sticks (for me it’s 30-60 miles/day of b-road and motorway) the hybrid just doesn’t work well, but round town the hybrid probably makes more sense (assuming you can be bothered to charge it). LooneyTunes said:
That’s why my friend did it. Like me, he’s out in the country. He’s very clear that he won’t buy another.
I guess that's his choice, but it certainly feels like he's in the minority, these things are selling like hot cakes because of the tax benefits, I bought mine with no tax benefits whatsoever, and so far I would definitely buy another one Gassing Station | Land Rover | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff