L322 SC VS TDV8
Discussion
I am looking at a luxury feel good car and have a Mini Cooper S for daily duties and short runs.
I was going down the big coupe route but have a love for Range Rovers, still miss my P38, and have been looking at late ones (2011/2012).
I was initially thinking Supercharged 5.0 as I always used to joke that:
"Nothing says 'I can't afford a Range Rover' like a Diesel Range Rover or a V8 Discovery"
However the TDV8 changed that. A Diesel Range Rover with a proper amount of ooomf!
So my question is two fold.
Is the 5.0 Supercharged a stupid idea, average economy below 18mpg for instance, and is the 4.4 TDV8 going to make a nice V8 noise and make me feel special in the way the old P38 V8 did.
Thanks.
I was going down the big coupe route but have a love for Range Rovers, still miss my P38, and have been looking at late ones (2011/2012).
I was initially thinking Supercharged 5.0 as I always used to joke that:
"Nothing says 'I can't afford a Range Rover' like a Diesel Range Rover or a V8 Discovery"
However the TDV8 changed that. A Diesel Range Rover with a proper amount of ooomf!
So my question is two fold.
Is the 5.0 Supercharged a stupid idea, average economy below 18mpg for instance, and is the 4.4 TDV8 going to make a nice V8 noise and make me feel special in the way the old P38 V8 did.
Thanks.
Both are brilliant in their own special ways... I personally prefer the power delivery of the TDV8.
The SC typically only came with the higher spec of trim and IIRC only with the 6spd. However, assuming you're looking at the high spec TDV8, the cabins should be about the same.
Take both for a test drive and see what you fancy.
M
The SC typically only came with the higher spec of trim and IIRC only with the 6spd. However, assuming you're looking at the high spec TDV8, the cabins should be about the same.
Take both for a test drive and see what you fancy.
M
Actually having dug out a 2012 brochure from the pile a while back I prefer the Westminster spec as I'm not desperate for the fripperies that the Autobiography spec comes with...
So if the TDV8 sounds V8 like and has lots of lazy low down grunt that's the one for me.
Bust as you say I'll drive both.
As an aside I simply love the SD1 V8-S style wheels on the late Range Rovers... ...Have to find one with those just because it gladdens my heart that someone at JLR is a SD1 fan!
So if the TDV8 sounds V8 like and has lots of lazy low down grunt that's the one for me.
Bust as you say I'll drive both.
As an aside I simply love the SD1 V8-S style wheels on the late Range Rovers... ...Have to find one with those just because it gladdens my heart that someone at JLR is a SD1 fan!
Just been through this very dilemma.
Goes without saying that as a petrolhead we just can’t help but try justify the fuel costs of the SC. I found that prices were actually as high if not higher for the petrol though.
As I intend to tow a car trailer and do longer journeys into Europe, I decided the torque and range of the diesel out ranked the noise and feel good of the SC.
I’ve had my 4.4 VSE TDV8 about a month now and when you get on the pedal it really does shift for almost 3T. Honestly, you really wouldn’t want or need to go any faster!
Goes without saying that as a petrolhead we just can’t help but try justify the fuel costs of the SC. I found that prices were actually as high if not higher for the petrol though.
As I intend to tow a car trailer and do longer journeys into Europe, I decided the torque and range of the diesel out ranked the noise and feel good of the SC.
I’ve had my 4.4 VSE TDV8 about a month now and when you get on the pedal it really does shift for almost 3T. Honestly, you really wouldn’t want or need to go any faster!
I’ve owned a 3.6 TDV8 Vogue, bought it new in 2007, great car, very good long distance cruiser, I’ve test driven a 4.4 TDV8 which was even better but traded it in for a 5.0L Supercharged Autobiograpphy.
Only problem with the TDV8, it didn’t sound much like a V8 (unlike the Sport with the same engine), also it had a noticeable turbo lag at low speed.
Supercharged sounds like a V8 with no lag, even power delivery, it is a peach of an engine, liked it so much that I traded the L322 for a L405 with the same engine.
Economy is OK as long as you don’t floor it.
Only problem with the TDV8, it didn’t sound much like a V8 (unlike the Sport with the same engine), also it had a noticeable turbo lag at low speed.
Supercharged sounds like a V8 with no lag, even power delivery, it is a peach of an engine, liked it so much that I traded the L322 for a L405 with the same engine.
Economy is OK as long as you don’t floor it.
Stick Legs said:
CSK1 said:
Economy is OK as long as you don’t floor it.
Real world what are you averaging out of interest? I have always found I have a mental threshold around 18mpg. Much less than this it bothers me.Anything over 20mpg I don't care.
Thanks.
No less than 20 MPG unless you drive like a sports car but if you drive that way you better buy something else.
Edited by CSK1 on Wednesday 9th September 14:53
Stick Legs said:
CSK1 said:
Economy is OK as long as you don’t floor it.
Real world what are you averaging out of interest? I have always found I have a mental threshold around 18mpg. Much less than this it bothers me.Anything over 20mpg I don't care.
Thanks.
Not meaning to re-ignite the whole diesel thing but my view was, if you spend decent money on a diesel car today you have to be prepared to accept that you're not really going to get a decent amount for it come sale time, if the current hoo-ha persists. I had a petrol AJV8 L322 before (rare beast) and that sold privately very quickly and for very good money. When I bought the SC, about 18 months ago, the dealer was telling me that he had diesel cars on the forecourt for which he wasn't even getting enquiries. That may have changed since. He had a couple of similar age/price SCs, I drove both and initially selected the other one but he was selling it on commission and the owner wouldn't budge on the price, which was a little toppy anyway, so I rejected that one on principle and bought the other. I've put about 10k miles on it with no issues beyond servicing, and this week, 4 new tyres.
And the comedy effect of sticking it in Sport and flooring it at 10mph still raises a laugh!
A few months ago I went shopping for an L322 Range Rover. Budget was around £6k so either a VERY nice TD6 or a very leggy TDV8.
After viewing 7/8 diesel cars I was on the verge of giving up when a lovely looking 2006 supercharged 4.2 came up. Went to see it and was stunning, really well looked after, all the SC are fully specced and low and behold everything worked on it.
3 months in im over the moon with it, wafts about in a regal fashion, sounds beautiful and the engine really suits the car, thrust like acceleration, great for towing and the most comfortable family car we have ever had. Having sat in newer models, Sports and X5s etc none of them are quite as good as the L322 for driving pleasure and comfort for me. Personal opinion of course.
On a 200 mile run ive clocked up a hard to believe 27mpg, short trips knocking about town, picking kids up around 14/15mpg.
I cant imagine buying more car for the money, fingers crossed the gods of reilability will be kind to me
After viewing 7/8 diesel cars I was on the verge of giving up when a lovely looking 2006 supercharged 4.2 came up. Went to see it and was stunning, really well looked after, all the SC are fully specced and low and behold everything worked on it.
3 months in im over the moon with it, wafts about in a regal fashion, sounds beautiful and the engine really suits the car, thrust like acceleration, great for towing and the most comfortable family car we have ever had. Having sat in newer models, Sports and X5s etc none of them are quite as good as the L322 for driving pleasure and comfort for me. Personal opinion of course.
On a 200 mile run ive clocked up a hard to believe 27mpg, short trips knocking about town, picking kids up around 14/15mpg.
I cant imagine buying more car for the money, fingers crossed the gods of reilability will be kind to me
Deranged Rover said:
Stick Legs said:
is the 4.4 TDV8 going to make a nice V8 noise.
No, of course it isn't. The best thing that can be said about it is that it doesn't sound as bad as most tractor-fuelled engines!I had a 2006 TDV8 for few years before upgrading to a 5.0 S/C autobiography 5 years ago, which I still have.
It's not a night and day difference in performance, the TDV8s really do deliver the power very well and the RR is not a car designed or expected to be driven flat out all the time, it's more a gentleman's conveyance!
However, although the TDV8 was rapid enough, it had a fairly irritating hesitation on initial throttle which could lead to the occasional 'moment' when pulling out on roundabouts. The 5.0 S/C suffers no foibles like this, if you press the thottle quick it just flies, it takes a few quick starts to learn to avoid overdoing it in the damp otherwise you've got all 4 wheels spinning, impressive on such a heavy car!
With regards to real world performance difference I only used to notice the extra oomph of the 5.0 S/C when I was driving along country roads and would find myself arriving at familiar corners and bends significantly faster than I had in the TDV8.
Mileage, I averaged 25mpg vs 19mpg in the 2 cars.
Running costs largely similar I've found, The TDV8 cost me with alternator, turbos and EGRs over about 3 years, the S/C has had a water pump and transfer box/gearbox rebuild in the 5 years I've had it. Both in addition to normal servicing, brakes, tyres, etc... of course.
Would I have a diesel again. Hmmm... would be wary of higher mileages, those Turbos and EGRs don't seem to last for ever, but the TDV8s are bloody good all round cars, really good. However the 5.0 S/C is something special with that engine!
It's not a night and day difference in performance, the TDV8s really do deliver the power very well and the RR is not a car designed or expected to be driven flat out all the time, it's more a gentleman's conveyance!
However, although the TDV8 was rapid enough, it had a fairly irritating hesitation on initial throttle which could lead to the occasional 'moment' when pulling out on roundabouts. The 5.0 S/C suffers no foibles like this, if you press the thottle quick it just flies, it takes a few quick starts to learn to avoid overdoing it in the damp otherwise you've got all 4 wheels spinning, impressive on such a heavy car!
With regards to real world performance difference I only used to notice the extra oomph of the 5.0 S/C when I was driving along country roads and would find myself arriving at familiar corners and bends significantly faster than I had in the TDV8.Mileage, I averaged 25mpg vs 19mpg in the 2 cars.
Running costs largely similar I've found, The TDV8 cost me with alternator, turbos and EGRs over about 3 years, the S/C has had a water pump and transfer box/gearbox rebuild in the 5 years I've had it. Both in addition to normal servicing, brakes, tyres, etc... of course.
Would I have a diesel again. Hmmm... would be wary of higher mileages, those Turbos and EGRs don't seem to last for ever, but the TDV8s are bloody good all round cars, really good. However the 5.0 S/C is something special with that engine!
Stick Legs said:
I was initially thinking Supercharged 5.0 as I always used to joke that:
"Nothing says 'I can't afford a Range Rover' like a Diesel Range Rover".
"Nothing says 'I can't afford a Range Rover' like a Diesel Range Rover".
I'm nicking that to use on my mate
PS - Get the Supercharged
Just to add - I had a 2012 Westminster 4.4 TDV8 for four years, bought at 44k and just sold recently at 76k. Loved it, very smooth and powerful.
Great car and apart from the DPF light coming on a few times after a lot of short journeys in winter and a small oil leak from the oil cooler nothing major went wrong with it. I had to replace two airbags. I did over service it though which maybe helped.
It's actually for sale here, they haven't even cleaned it since they bought it apparently as it's still in the same condition as when I traded it in on the other side of the country, full of dust from a drag race on a dirt runway!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202008222...
Edited by Timbuktu on Tuesday 22 September 22:30
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