Disco, FFRR, Velar, RRsport whats the difference?
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A FFRR is the absolute daddy.
It says everything by saying nothing. It doesn’t need to. It can do pretty much anything and has every bell and whistle going. Not cheap though.
A RRS is for people who want everyone to know they’ve got a Range Rover, hence the understated magnificence of the flagship is not for them. They’re successful, have lots and lots of spare cash and they need you to know that. But they’re still cool, too cool for the aristocratic FFRR, which Is for, like, old people yeah?
A Discovery is what dad buys after mum points out that a FFRR is a monstrously large vehicle that she can’t possibly drive to school, while the Discovery will also carry more crap home from Ikea. Dad tries to point out that there’s hardly any difference, so they compromise and buy a Discovery.
Also allows the chance to show the neighbours things have improved when the Disco is eventually traded for the FFRR that Dad wanted all along.
Velar is for people who watch BBC4 a lot.
It says everything by saying nothing. It doesn’t need to. It can do pretty much anything and has every bell and whistle going. Not cheap though.
A RRS is for people who want everyone to know they’ve got a Range Rover, hence the understated magnificence of the flagship is not for them. They’re successful, have lots and lots of spare cash and they need you to know that. But they’re still cool, too cool for the aristocratic FFRR, which Is for, like, old people yeah?
A Discovery is what dad buys after mum points out that a FFRR is a monstrously large vehicle that she can’t possibly drive to school, while the Discovery will also carry more crap home from Ikea. Dad tries to point out that there’s hardly any difference, so they compromise and buy a Discovery.
Also allows the chance to show the neighbours things have improved when the Disco is eventually traded for the FFRR that Dad wanted all along.
Velar is for people who watch BBC4 a lot.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th July 14:46
Crossflow Kid said:
A FFRR is the absolute daddy.
It says everything by saying nothing. It doesn’t need to. It can do pretty much anything and has every bell and whistle going. Not cheap though.
A RRS is for people who want everyone to know they’ve got a Range Rover, hence the understated magnificence of the flagship is not for them. They’re successful, have lots and lots of spare cash and they need you to know that. But they’re still cool, too cool for the aristocratic FFRR, which Is for, like, old people yeah?
A Discovery is what dad buys after mum points out that a FFRR is a monstrously large vehicle that she can’t possibly drive to school, while the Discovery will also carry more crap home from Ikea. Dad tries to point out that there’s hardly any difference, so they compromise and buy a Discovery.
Also allows the chance to show the neighbours things have improved when the Disco is eventually traded for the FFRR that Dad wanted all along.
Velar is for people who watch BBC4 a lot.
,It says everything by saying nothing. It doesn’t need to. It can do pretty much anything and has every bell and whistle going. Not cheap though.
A RRS is for people who want everyone to know they’ve got a Range Rover, hence the understated magnificence of the flagship is not for them. They’re successful, have lots and lots of spare cash and they need you to know that. But they’re still cool, too cool for the aristocratic FFRR, which Is for, like, old people yeah?
A Discovery is what dad buys after mum points out that a FFRR is a monstrously large vehicle that she can’t possibly drive to school, while the Discovery will also carry more crap home from Ikea. Dad tries to point out that there’s hardly any difference, so they compromise and buy a Discovery.
Also allows the chance to show the neighbours things have improved when the Disco is eventually traded for the FFRR that Dad wanted all along.
Velar is for people who watch BBC4 a lot.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Sunday 26th July 14:46
While I agree with everything you've said, I really meant something more tangible, like only has a 3 speed manual gearbox, plastic seats and no windscreen, whereas another has real leather from a real dead cow, a 10 speed auto, free use of the toilets in Windsor castle and 6 foot tall leggy supermodel to drive it for you.
Johnspex said:
That's pretty much what I thought. No point in having anything other than the cheapest, engine for engine.
Thanks.
Obviously I was being a little cynical, pointing out that JLR's entire design philosophy appears to be based on a set of Photoshop stretch handles. but they're not the only guilty party there (hello Ingolstadt, for instance). And I'm speaking as both a current and former custodian of numerous JLR vehicles. But to your original question:Thanks.
Johnspex said:
if I wanted a new model of one of the large LR products, what, in real, discernable terms, is the difference? Money no object, but no point in spending more than I need. Purely hypothetical, of course.
As Crossflow said above, the FFRR is indeed the daddy, and will waft you around far better then the others, and probably do everything which they can do, better (except perhaps luggage space compared to the Disco?). I remember when the current RRS and FFRR were compared, early in their life, a journalist drove both, back to back. He tried the RRS first and got out of it saying, "it's amazing, why would anyone spend an additional £20k+ on a FFRR?" - but then he drove the FFRR and said "ah, now I can see why"Money no object, that's your answer. Practically speaking, I don't know; perhaps the RRS? Personally I couldn't get past the rear-end looks of the Disco, and the Velar feels to me too much like it's filling a gap which didn't exist. And it's lot smaller. I genuinely don't know what the difference between a Velar and an Evoque is, except for swanky door handles?
I've driven all except the Velar. The FFRR is the daddy, supremely comfortable and even in basic spec you're aware you're in something special. RRS is much firmer and spec can vary wildly but still nice a place to be. Disco more comfortable than I thought it would be but aimed at the more practically minded family I would suggest. Scratchier plastics at the basic spec and much pennies need to be spent to bring it up to a level on a par with FFRR/S. I was never interested in the Velar and even those aren't much cheaper by the time you add bits to it. I ended up with an RRS in the end, wife won out as although she liked the FFRR it was just a bit too big for two people. I'll get one one day, maybe when she's not looking...
CAPP0 said:
There's a very straightforward answer to your question. The differences between each model can be clearly seen in the following photos:
FFRR:
Disco:
RRS:
Velar:
FFRR:
Disco:
RRS:
Velar:
It's true then. I thought it was my rear view mirror playing tricks on me whenever one was following me such that I couldn't tell which model it was.
Johnspex said:
if I wanted a new model of one of the large LR products, what, in real, discernable terms, is the difference? Money no object, but no point in spending more than I need. Purely hypothetical, of course.
If budget allows the FFRR is the one to have.They are great cars, even if they have lost some of the raison d'être that they once had.
They used to be a genuine utility vehicle with a luxury twist, now they are a luxury car that can be used off road. If you don't mind dinging the blingy alloys and scratching the chocolate soft paintwork.
Whereas once upon a time you could point a Range Rover at anything and it would drive over it with little driver intervention, nowadays you have to select various settings that are marginally more complex than the start sequence of a NASA space probe.
Land Rover likes to shift new stock, so they have made Range Rovers quite easy to steal with keyless entry. They also have management decision makers who don't even walk their dogs off road, much less drive vehicles there. So the cars have some stupid features like a rotary gear knob and flappy paddles, which don't work properly off road.
They are also 90% reliable 60% of the time.
But despite the quite infuriating watering down of the concept and questionable reliability the FFRR is a glorious thing when it's working properly.
Below that, the Range Rover Sport is for people with oversized watches and orange tans, who lack the good taste to know that RRSs are a teensy bit naff.
The Disco is practical but feels crude in comparison to the Range Rovers.
The Velar is a white elephant, introduced to help Land Rover compete with itself.
The Evoque is great if your beauty salon is doing well. If it's doing well in Chingford you need the convertible version, but it is a hideous aberration of a car.
The Disco Sport is for recently divorced middle aged mothers with three children that need to get to school and whose ex-husbands are paying enough maintenance that Land Rover is within budget.
The New Defender is just the sort of thing a farmer might want, were it £20k less expensive and 20% more reliable. But instead I suspect that most will opt for something Japanese now.
Louis Balfour said:
Whereas once upon a time you could point a Range Rover at anything and it would drive over it with little driver intervention, nowadays you have to select various settings that are marginally more complex than the start sequence of a NASA space probe.
Ahem... <cough>You still can "point a Range Rover at anything and it would drive over it". You don't need to select a Terrain Response program if you don't want to...
...however, Terrain Response 2 will automatically work out the best settings anyway.
M
""The New Defender is just the sort of thing a farmer might want, were it £20k less expensive and 20% more reliable. But instead I suspect that most will opt for something Japanese now."
So, where's the evidence that the new Defender is as unreliable as you state? It's only been available for a couple of months or so. I have not seen any unreliability reports anywhere. I guess you are relying on the benefit of foresight.
R.
The Leaper said:
So, where's the evidence that the new Defender is as unreliable as you state? It's only been available for a couple of months or so. I have not seen any unreliability reports anywhere. I guess you are relying on the benefit of foresight.
R.
Because if it IS reliable it will be the first car ever that Land Rover has managed to make that way. I am not aware that there has been a quantum shift in their quality. They always claim there has been and there never has.R.
Louis Balfour said:
The Leaper said:
So, where's the evidence that the new Defender is as unreliable as you state? It's only been available for a couple of months or so. I have not seen any unreliability reports anywhere. I guess you are relying on the benefit of foresight.
R.
Because if it IS reliable it will be the first car ever that Land Rover has managed to make that way. I am not aware that there has been a quantum shift in their quality. They always claim there has been and there never has.R.
By the way, my DS is 5 years old, close on 40,000 miles, nothing disastrous has wrong with it.
R.
The Leaper said:
Louis Balfour said:
The Leaper said:
So, where's the evidence that the new Defender is as unreliable as you state? It's only been available for a couple of months or so. I have not seen any unreliability reports anywhere. I guess you are relying on the benefit of foresight.
R.
Because if it IS reliable it will be the first car ever that Land Rover has managed to make that way. I am not aware that there has been a quantum shift in their quality. They always claim there has been and there never has.R.
By the way, my DS is 5 years old, close on 40,000 miles, nothing disastrous has wrong with it.
R.
They have never been reliable and the fact that they are prolific doesn’t evidence the contrary.
Johnspex said:
if I wanted a new model of one of the large LR products, what, in real, discernable terms, is the difference? Money no object, but no point in spending more than I need. Purely hypothetical, of course.
Depends what you are looking for no model is the bestRR
High Luxury, capable offroad, not very dynamic.
RRS
High Luxury, can go offroad, more dynamic than RR but smaller.
Velar
High Luxury, not a true off roader like the ones above, much more dynamic on road, better fuel economy due to less weight
Evoque
High Luxury, feels like a warm hatch in the top engines, better fuel economy again, much smaller
Discovery
Not as Luxury as RR branded product, good offroad, not very dynamic, 7 seats
Discovery Sport
Not as luxury as Evoque, 7 seats, slightly bigger, not as good offroad as the proper 4x4 Discovery
Defender
Best offroad, smaller than Discovery inside, heritage model, materials choice inside designed around longevity rather than luxury
The Leaper said:
Louis Balfour said:
The Leaper said:
So, where's the evidence that the new Defender is as unreliable as you state? It's only been available for a couple of months or so. I have not seen any unreliability reports anywhere. I guess you are relying on the benefit of foresight.
R.
Because if it IS reliable it will be the first car ever that Land Rover has managed to make that way. I am not aware that there has been a quantum shift in their quality. They always claim there has been and there never has.R.
By the way, my DS is 5 years old, close on 40,000 miles, nothing disastrous has wrong with it.
R.
Unfortunately, 'nothing distastrous' isn't the same as 'totally reliable' though, is it? My experience is that the early classics were fairly agricultural but actually reliable (wasn't much to go wrong), the introduction of EFi started to bring electrical issues (for me, fuel relay, on a 3-week old car, leaving it stranded), P38 petrol was okay until a few years old when electrical issues kicked in, although the actual 'car' was sound. It seemed that the more they introduced electronics, the more problems, often minor but quite irritating, arose.
I'm a huge Range Rover fan and have been from the early days (not so keen on the newer sub-models), love the old Series and Defenders but couldn't, in all honesty, say that they are the most reliable. The FFRR is a superb vehicle but my view is reinforced by the chap met in the Australian outback - a massive LR fan, owner of several from Series 1 through to a new FFRR, however, he used a Series LR for serious outback work as 'I love my FFRR but it's let me down once or twice, how would I fix it if it went wrong out here'?
To provide a BBC-like balance, a friend has had all sorts of LR and RR and never had a problem, certainly on new ones, although most were changed before they were 12 - 18 months old.
However, despite my thoughts, only today I found myself looking at the configurator for FFRR
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