Range rovers being stolen
Discussion
I have a new discovery sport on order. Been doing a bit of reading and noticed loads of Range Rover sports and evoques are/were being stolen without the keys being taken i.e. Somehow the key is being cloned. Does anyone know has this issue been solved and if so what they had to do? Don't really want to have a new car nicked straight away. Thanks.
There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:
Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
Interesting post, thank you very much.
I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500.
I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500.
PhantomPH said:
Interesting post, thank you very much.
I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500.
This is a problem for all car manufacturers. The CCTV footage of a BMW being stolen was used by some to prove to their insurance companies that cars can be stolen without keys. A friends wife has a Cayenne. On two occasions, when she has parked her car, a thief nearby intercepted the signal from the key when she locked (though she had) it and stole all of her belongings. I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500.
We keep a steering lock on the Evoque each night.
Not that anyone couldn't remove it in five minutes or so. But it should make them think twice before breaking into the house for the keys that their getaway would be delayed enough for the visible CCTV cameras to get some good footage,
Not that anyone couldn't remove it in five minutes or so. But it should make them think twice before breaking into the house for the keys that their getaway would be delayed enough for the visible CCTV cameras to get some good footage,
In addition to my 10 year old, 2007 M/Y Range Rover (4.4 Vogue petrol), which I love and drive most days, I also have a 2016 Bentley Mulsanne Speed which has Vodafone Tracking.
If someone does manage to over ride the keyless go system and take the car, I would get a phone call within minutes if the car started moving without the key fob in it. They can track it and will contact the Police. I may be wrong but I also believe in extreme circumstances they can remotely disable the engine.
There's an Installation cost plus about £250 per year subscription, although I think some company's are doing deals - Peace of mind and a more convenient alternative to a stop lock.
If someone does manage to over ride the keyless go system and take the car, I would get a phone call within minutes if the car started moving without the key fob in it. They can track it and will contact the Police. I may be wrong but I also believe in extreme circumstances they can remotely disable the engine.
There's an Installation cost plus about £250 per year subscription, although I think some company's are doing deals - Peace of mind and a more convenient alternative to a stop lock.
kmpowell said:
There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:
Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
My FFRR was one of the earlier cars stolen using the OBD port method. Land Rover, in their usual slopey-shouldered manner, denied all responsibility. In fact someone senior with a plummy accent from head office called me to tell me that Land Rover didn't have a security problem. At all. Not even a little one. To suggest such a thing was laughable... as Land Rover products all over our county were going walkies.Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
13m said:
kmpowell said:
There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:
Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
My FFRR was one of the earlier cars stolen using the OBD port method. Land Rover, in their usual slopey-shouldered manner, denied all responsibility. In fact someone senior with a plummy accent from head office called me to tell me that Land Rover didn't have a security problem. At all. Not even a little one. To suggest such a thing was laughable... as Land Rover products all over our county were going walkies.Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models
Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.
I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.
My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.
Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
I just saw this post and related this to a video I saw today on YouTube ref LR's and keyless entry. I tried it on my vehicle and it works a treat. Easily Disables keyless entry from the key fob. Hope this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ItzOmkcCw
I've got an M135i which is high risk for the thieves. I've been advised to get those pouches from Amazon to keep my keys in. They block the signal the thieves use.
Something like... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Faraday-...
Something like... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Faraday-...
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