Vogue TDV6 vs SDV8 - surprising difference
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My regular car is a MY2014 SDV8 Vogue SE. I thought the SDV8 was a bit excessive, but it was available at a good deal so I went for it. Though I have been thinking of a TDV6 when I replace it.
I have recently been given a MY2015 TDV6 Vogue SE and I cannot believe the difference. It feels so much less special to drive, the feeling of weight and luxury just isn't there as it is with the SDV8. The ride is not as good and it feels like a much cheaper car. Not to mention the engine noise difference!
Frankly it drives as I would have expected the new sport to without better handling, a very nice car, but certainly not the full luxury experience you would expect with the FFRR.
In short, if you are in the market for a new Vogue, it has to be the V8. If your budget can't stretch to it, buy a used SDV8 over a new TDV6 with zero doubts:
I really can't believe the difference in the driving experience, really didn't expect it to be so different. I really question these journos who say the V6 is the one to go for, have they even driven then both? Strange.
I have recently been given a MY2015 TDV6 Vogue SE and I cannot believe the difference. It feels so much less special to drive, the feeling of weight and luxury just isn't there as it is with the SDV8. The ride is not as good and it feels like a much cheaper car. Not to mention the engine noise difference!
Frankly it drives as I would have expected the new sport to without better handling, a very nice car, but certainly not the full luxury experience you would expect with the FFRR.
In short, if you are in the market for a new Vogue, it has to be the V8. If your budget can't stretch to it, buy a used SDV8 over a new TDV6 with zero doubts:
I really can't believe the difference in the driving experience, really didn't expect it to be so different. I really question these journos who say the V6 is the one to go for, have they even driven then both? Strange.
Horses for courses - I drove a 15 reg SDV8 at the Land Rover Experience for half a day and found the engine excessively noisy and unrefined when compared to the 2015 SDV6 new engine in my RRS which is a peach of an engine!
I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
sealtt said:
the feeling of weight and luxury just isn't there as it is with the SDV8. The ride is not as good and it feels like a much cheaper car.
Frankly it drives as I would have expected the new sport to without better handling, a very nice car, but certainly not the full luxury experience you would expect with the FFRR.
I don't really get how a V8 over a V6 will be better on the points you mention. Handling, luxury, ride and weight???Frankly it drives as I would have expected the new sport to without better handling, a very nice car, but certainly not the full luxury experience you would expect with the FFRR.
AMDB9 said:
Horses for courses - I drove a 15 reg SDV8 at the Land Rover Experience for half a day and found the engine excessively noisy and unrefined when compared to the 2015 SDV6 new engine in my RRS which is a peach of an engine!
I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
What sort of driving was that? I'm talking more just regular road driving with windows up. With this you just hear a little bit of engine purr when you accelerate hard in the SDV8, but a more constant grumble even at lower RPM in the TDV6, not much difference but a little bit more (bad) noise lower down, and not as nice a tone higher up. Not driven the SDV6 so can't comment. But ultimately I'm not buying the car for it's engine noise, but still I felt the V8 noise suits the big FFRR much better, not that it would make that much difference to my purchase decision.I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
Funnily enough the issue for me wasn't the power difference, I noticed it a bit, but not actually that much in my normal driving to be an issue and I'd happily have the reduced performance for more fuel efficiency and a cheaper purchase price... IF it was just the performance that changed!
However, the big difference was the feel through the steering wheel and the way the car carries itself over the bumps and through corners. I think that extra bit of weight of the V8 and the active engine mounts (or whatever it is that the v8 has) actually suit the characteristic of the FFRR really well. With the V8, it feels like a much more luxurious vehicle and offers a very unique driving experience, whereas the TDV6 felt more like a 'normal' car.
Before today I would have been 100% with you and would have traded my SDV8 in for the FFRR with SDV6 fitted as soon as they did it, however after my experience today I'd be really unsure about it. I just think the car works best with a big heavy V8 in the front!! It's the proper FFRR experience.
sealtt said:
AMDB9 said:
Horses for courses - I drove a 15 reg SDV8 at the Land Rover Experience for half a day and found the engine excessively noisy and unrefined when compared to the 2015 SDV6 new engine in my RRS which is a peach of an engine!
I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
What sort of driving was that? I'm talking more just regular road driving with windows up. With this you just hear a little bit of engine purr when you accelerate hard in the SDV8, but a more constant grumble even at lower RPM in the TDV6, not much difference but a little bit more (bad) noise lower down, and not as nice a tone higher up. Not driven the SDV6 so can't comment. But ultimately I'm not buying the car for it's engine noise, but still I felt the V8 noise suits the big FFRR much better, not that it would make that much difference to my purchase decision.I am waiting for Land Rover to put this engine in to a FFRR and I'll be getting one immediately. I think the TDV6 used in the full fat is old tech which seriously needs to be updated ASAP! It only has 258 BHP and 600 torques to push a car which is much bigger than the sport. The new SDV6 has 306 BHP and 700 torques!
Funnily enough the issue for me wasn't the power difference, I noticed it a bit, but not actually that much in my normal driving to be an issue and I'd happily have the reduced performance for more fuel efficiency and a cheaper purchase price... IF it was just the performance that changed!
However, the big difference was the feel through the steering wheel and the way the car carries itself over the bumps and through corners. I think that extra bit of weight of the V8 and the active engine mounts (or whatever it is that the v8 has) actually suit the characteristic of the FFRR really well. With the V8, it feels like a much more luxurious vehicle and offers a very unique driving experience, whereas the TDV6 felt more like a 'normal' car.
Before today I would have been 100% with you and would have traded my SDV8 in for the FFRR with SDV6 fitted as soon as they did it, however after my experience today I'd be really unsure about it. I just think the car works best with a big heavy V8 in the front!! It's the proper FFRR experience.
300bhp/ton said:
I don't really get how a V8 over a V6 will be better on the points you mention. Handling, luxury, ride and weight???
Unlike in a sports car, or nearly any other type of car, I think the extra weight is actually a good thing. Gives the car it's semi-tank like feel. The TDV6 loses that, the car drives differently, more like a regular vehicle than a FFRR.Also the active roll bars or engine mounts (I forget which) that are upgraded with the V8 I think are the big reason for better ride, I wouldn't necessarily say handling is better, but it might possibly roll less in the corners in the V8 version.
The luxury comment is related to perception, the feeling of a big, heavy and expensive car being manoeuvred around easily with the wonderfully light steering is a great luxury car combo. The V6 version loses some of this.
AMDB9 said:
Most of the day was spent off roading but I did get a chance to stretch it's legs on open A and B Roads - Now that you mention it - the fuel economy was pretty shocking too! I think the TDV8 may soon end production anyway as if you compare the figures of the TDV8 to that of the SDV6 on paper it really makes no sense any longer. If they do need a TDV8 it will probably be an all new block with much higher BHP and Torque figures.
I think the MPG is great for what it is - a huge 4x4 with a 4.4V8 - I get 37mpg on the motorway at 70mph-75mph. But there is probably a much more fuel efficient way to deliver the power of course! What sort of MPG do you get on the motorway with the SDV6?I'd be surprised if they get rid of a TDV8 option for the FFRR, Range Rovers have always been about the V8 - and given that no-one buys V8 petrol cars anymore, they need the diesel V8. A new or refreshed TDV8 would be very nice, not that it needs any more power in my opinion!! I'm getting so sick of handling diesel at fuel stations I might even look at the 5.0V8 next time, to hell with fuel economy once and for all haha.
Interesting.
I test drove both the V8 and V6 extensively before buying the V6 in SE spec. Performance was not noticeably down on the V8 and I thought the engine more refined and quiet. A 1400 mile round trip this summer saw me nudging 40mpg which I thought incredible considering the size and weight of the thing. With regard to pricing, on the used market the price difference seems to be minimal, although there are many more V8's for sale. Ideally I'd like a petrol engine but I couldn't live with the fuel stops required by the SCV8
As an aside I'm pretty underwhelmed by the quality of the fit and finish of the interior, not what I'd expect of an £85k car. However, it's my first RR and I can't really see myself driving anything else, funds permitting!
I test drove both the V8 and V6 extensively before buying the V6 in SE spec. Performance was not noticeably down on the V8 and I thought the engine more refined and quiet. A 1400 mile round trip this summer saw me nudging 40mpg which I thought incredible considering the size and weight of the thing. With regard to pricing, on the used market the price difference seems to be minimal, although there are many more V8's for sale. Ideally I'd like a petrol engine but I couldn't live with the fuel stops required by the SCV8
As an aside I'm pretty underwhelmed by the quality of the fit and finish of the interior, not what I'd expect of an £85k car. However, it's my first RR and I can't really see myself driving anything else, funds permitting!
Edited by poocherama on Thursday 24th September 15:21
Edited by poocherama on Thursday 24th September 15:22
sealtt said:
AMDB9 said:
I think the MPG is great for what it is - a huge 4x4 with a 4.4V8 - I get 37mpg on the motorway at 70mph-75mph. But there is probably a much more fuel efficient way to deliver the power of course! What sort of MPG do you get on the motorway with the SDV6?
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Around town I get 34-42mpg (school runs etc) - on a long run I can easily see 50mpg without trying too hard!.
Yes, so some fantastic MPG figures from the SDV6 as I had expected, nice to be able to go for a week or two without filling up! I'd love to know real world figures for an L405 with the 5.0SC though.
There are a few interior options that I think make a big difference to how luxurious it feels inside. Having one of the premium wood finishes and also optioning the wooden trim on the steering wheel are stand out ones to me. Having a light interior makes it all feel much more spacious too, just having the upper dash in black on this car vs the dark brown on mine does on it's own make the car feel smaller inside. Quality of fit is fine on my car - and of course this near new V6 -though obviously not going to be a V6/V8 thing. Any rattles take your car back to LR and make them fix it, they will get it done even if it's a big job. Just insist they do it!
I'm the same, it's my first FFRR and I will be sticking with it for a while... he says!
poocherama said:
Interesting.
I test drove both the V8 and V6 extensively before buying the V6 in SE spec. Performance was not noticeably down on the V8 and I thought the engine more refined and quiet. A 1400 mile round trip this summer saw me nudging 40mpg which I thought incredible considering the size and weight of the thing. With regard to pricing, on the used market the price difference seems to be minimal, although there are many more V8's for sale. Ideally I'd like a petrol engine but I couldn't live with the fuel stops required by the SCV8
As an aside I'm pretty underwhelmed by the quality of the fit and finish of the interior, not what I'd expect of an £85k car. However, it's my first RR and I can't really see myself driving anything else, funds permitting!
Interesting that you went for the V6, I'd agree that the performance is not too different and the extra MPG is a bonus. Though I am surprised you find the V6 engine noise more refined, I am finding it much more intrusive! Maybe it is just because I am so used to the V8 that something different really stands out? Not sure.I test drove both the V8 and V6 extensively before buying the V6 in SE spec. Performance was not noticeably down on the V8 and I thought the engine more refined and quiet. A 1400 mile round trip this summer saw me nudging 40mpg which I thought incredible considering the size and weight of the thing. With regard to pricing, on the used market the price difference seems to be minimal, although there are many more V8's for sale. Ideally I'd like a petrol engine but I couldn't live with the fuel stops required by the SCV8
As an aside I'm pretty underwhelmed by the quality of the fit and finish of the interior, not what I'd expect of an £85k car. However, it's my first RR and I can't really see myself driving anything else, funds permitting!
There are a few interior options that I think make a big difference to how luxurious it feels inside. Having one of the premium wood finishes and also optioning the wooden trim on the steering wheel are stand out ones to me. Having a light interior makes it all feel much more spacious too, just having the upper dash in black on this car vs the dark brown on mine does on it's own make the car feel smaller inside. Quality of fit is fine on my car - and of course this near new V6 -though obviously not going to be a V6/V8 thing. Any rattles take your car back to LR and make them fix it, they will get it done even if it's a big job. Just insist they do it!
I'm the same, it's my first FFRR and I will be sticking with it for a while... he says!
sealtt said:
Interesting that you went for the V6, I'd agree that the performance is not too different and the extra MPG is a bonus. Though I am surprised you find the V6 engine noise more refined, I am finding it much more intrusive! Maybe it is just because I am so used to the V8 that something different really stands out? Not sure.
There are a few interior options that I think make a big difference to how luxurious it feels inside. Having one of the premium wood finishes and also optioning the wooden trim on the steering wheel are stand out ones to me. Having a light interior makes it all feel much more spacious too, just having the upper dash in black on this car vs the dark brown on mine does on it's own make the car feel smaller inside. Quality of fit is fine on my car - and of course this near new V6 -though obviously not going to be a V6/V8 thing. Any rattles take your car back to LR and make them fix it, they will get it done even if it's a big job. Just insist they do it!
I'm the same, it's my first FFRR and I will be sticking with it for a while... he says!
I've the light interior which is fantastic. I'd have preferred the walnut finishes and the wood steering wheel but buying used I had to go with the piano wood. I'd also opt for the AB spec next time for the leather headling etc alone.There are a few interior options that I think make a big difference to how luxurious it feels inside. Having one of the premium wood finishes and also optioning the wooden trim on the steering wheel are stand out ones to me. Having a light interior makes it all feel much more spacious too, just having the upper dash in black on this car vs the dark brown on mine does on it's own make the car feel smaller inside. Quality of fit is fine on my car - and of course this near new V6 -though obviously not going to be a V6/V8 thing. Any rattles take your car back to LR and make them fix it, they will get it done even if it's a big job. Just insist they do it!
I'm the same, it's my first FFRR and I will be sticking with it for a while... he says!
There are no rattles in the car, its difficult to fully articulate my gripe. I think its the way they have designed the pieces of the cabin to fit together, they just don't to seem to 'mesh' that well. An example being the trim of the 'A' pillars and the front window surrounds, they look like they'll fall off any minute! And that little piece of trim behind the side most air vents, awful. The leather on the bottom of the rear seats also looks like it has been fitted by Xzibit.
By way of comparison I spent a week in Scotland with a friend who has new Land Cruiser. Now its pig ugly and the interior is leagues behind the RR in terms of luxury, but the design and fit of the components was way better than the RR. my previous Mercedes E class was the same. Dull interior but it looked like new after 5 hard years of ownership. I think the RR will look pretty tired in 5 years time.
Haha, I've not really noticed that stuff. I always thought the car was pretty solid, other than the squeaks I got them to fix. My only real gripe was that the seat bases are not soft and comfy enough, sit in a S-Class coupe for comparison, wow that's how it should be! Mercedes interiors are really class leading I've found, certainly on their top models anyway. I remember testing the new SL63 when it first came out and I couldn't believe how nice it was. Though I do feel the same way about the FFRR, I love it inside, especially in a light colour and with wood. I'd love to try out the 1800w speaker system though as just have the 825w upgrade.
I'd also probably go for an autobiography next time, for me it would be the massaging seats since my back is not amazing and a bit of movement on a long trip would be good.
One of my employees saw the car today and thought it was a smaller model! The upgraded wheels, contrast colour roof, etc make a very big difference to the car. Getting more used to the V6 though and it's feeling more normal, I think I'd rather an AB V6 than a Vogue V8. But trim level being the same I'd still go for the V8.
I'd also probably go for an autobiography next time, for me it would be the massaging seats since my back is not amazing and a bit of movement on a long trip would be good.
One of my employees saw the car today and thought it was a smaller model! The upgraded wheels, contrast colour roof, etc make a very big difference to the car. Getting more used to the V6 though and it's feeling more normal, I think I'd rather an AB V6 than a Vogue V8. But trim level being the same I'd still go for the V8.
The v6 is ok I guess but doesnt feel or sound particularly range rovery if youve been used to the previous models.......it needs the grumbly v8 for the waft factor alone, and thats before you factor in the big step up in handling on the v8 due to active roll.
I've been pleasantly surprised at the economy of the thing too. I had a l494 sport tdv6 dynamic on loan for a month and it wasnt any better on fuel than my sdv8 which has so far averaged 32mpg overall in its 27000 mile life.
I've been pleasantly surprised at the economy of the thing too. I had a l494 sport tdv6 dynamic on loan for a month and it wasnt any better on fuel than my sdv8 which has so far averaged 32mpg overall in its 27000 mile life.
Just got my V8 back, on power, 95% of the time the extra power makes no difference, but every now and again you do use it for a quick junction exit in busy traffic, etc. It definitely sounds like a much bigger engine, the v6 sounds quite like any regular diesel. Neither are anything to write home about, but I'd rather the v8 noise if I had to choose.
However the really, really big difference is the ride. It doesn't handle better and if anything feels more detached as it is much, much flatter over bumps, around corners and even just accelerating. Makes a huge difference and gives that floating / skating on ice feel, rather than feeling like a normal car which the V6 does. A very nice car of course, but still just a car and not distinctively a Range Rover.
I could understand why someone might prefer the V6 and it's more car like driving feel and regular body roll in corners, though why someone who wants that would go for a Range Rover Vogue I don't know. If you want the proper Range Rover experience, the V8 is definitely the way to go, no two ways about it!
However the really, really big difference is the ride. It doesn't handle better and if anything feels more detached as it is much, much flatter over bumps, around corners and even just accelerating. Makes a huge difference and gives that floating / skating on ice feel, rather than feeling like a normal car which the V6 does. A very nice car of course, but still just a car and not distinctively a Range Rover.
I could understand why someone might prefer the V6 and it's more car like driving feel and regular body roll in corners, though why someone who wants that would go for a Range Rover Vogue I don't know. If you want the proper Range Rover experience, the V8 is definitely the way to go, no two ways about it!
sealtt said:
I'd love to know real world figures for an L405 with the 5.0SC though.
I have a L405 5.0 SC AB.18 MPG spirited driving and 21 MPG on a long distance cruise.
For me the 5.0 SC is the engine to go for not so much for the power which is always nice to have but for refinement which the Diesel versions lack.
It is a luxury car and it needs the best engine.
Saving on fuel when paying so much for a car to start with is like having a swimming pool and saving money by half-filling it.
CSK1 said:
I have a L405 5.0 SC AB.
18 MPG spirited driving and 21 MPG on a long distance cruise.
For me the 5.0 SC is the engine to go for not so much for the power which is always nice to have but for refinement which the Diesel versions lack.
It is a luxury car and it needs the best engine.
Saving on fuel when paying so much for a car to start with is like having a swimming pool and saving money by half-filling it.
Thanks.18 MPG spirited driving and 21 MPG on a long distance cruise.
For me the 5.0 SC is the engine to go for not so much for the power which is always nice to have but for refinement which the Diesel versions lack.
It is a luxury car and it needs the best engine.
Saving on fuel when paying so much for a car to start with is like having a swimming pool and saving money by half-filling it.
The fuel cost is not really a big deal, it's more just a semi-irrational hatred of seeing low MPG on the clock - regardless of how much every mile is costing in depreciation, consumables and so on. That being said, being able to fill up with lovely smelling petrol rather than disgusting diesel would probably make up for it.
Really though the big cost is initial purchase price and depreciation, obviously the 5.0SC is at a premium to the 4.4V8 and a big premium to the V6. For used buyers, because the 5.0SC is so much rare you also have the reduced availability of desired spec when buying a 5.0SC vs the diesel understudies.
Very interesting thread. I am about to pull the trigger on a RR and I was going to go with the V8 Autobiography.
What "real world" MPG is everyone getting?? We are getting out of a Q7 3.0Tdi - in which we average about 24Mpg and a 2009 Disco 4 3.0TdV6- in which we are lucky to get 22Mpg.
I was naively hoping for an increase in MPG with the V8 diesel RR.........
What "real world" MPG is everyone getting?? We are getting out of a Q7 3.0Tdi - in which we average about 24Mpg and a 2009 Disco 4 3.0TdV6- in which we are lucky to get 22Mpg.
I was naively hoping for an increase in MPG with the V8 diesel RR.........
is that just town driving??dealmaker said:
Very interesting thread. I am about to pull the trigger on a RR and I was going to go with the V8 Autobiography.
What "real world" MPG is everyone getting?? We are getting out of a Q7 3.0Tdi - in which we average about 24Mpg and a 2009 Disco 4 3.0TdV6- in which we are lucky to get 22Mpg.
I was naively hoping for an increase in MPG with the V8 diesel RR.........
I'm getting an average of 30MPG on MY16 4.4 AB with mixed driving. Longer runs achieve up to 34MPG without any thought of fuel saving.What "real world" MPG is everyone getting?? We are getting out of a Q7 3.0Tdi - in which we average about 24Mpg and a 2009 Disco 4 3.0TdV6- in which we are lucky to get 22Mpg.
I was naively hoping for an increase in MPG with the V8 diesel RR.........
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