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I've been pondering getting another Landie (had an '87 90 before and had to sell it as it was an only car and I couldn't cope with 14mpg as a young graduate) for ages now, but with winter approaching have been doing a bit of digging.
It seems that within my budget (3k tops) I have a fair choice of either 90s or series III.
I want to use it off the road, but also as a practical load lugger as I can't get many mountain bikes in the tiv. Also I will definately be commuting on the icy days, (12 miles each way).
Not really sure what to do, so any advice or thoughts appreciated.
It seems that within my budget (3k tops) I have a fair choice of either 90s or series III.
I want to use it off the road, but also as a practical load lugger as I can't get many mountain bikes in the tiv. Also I will definately be commuting on the icy days, (12 miles each way).
Not really sure what to do, so any advice or thoughts appreciated.
madbadger said:
I've been steering (no pun intended) that way. Have seen a few 90s now in budget.
At first I was thinking it would be a choice of a decent III or a shed of a 90, but it looks like there is more out there.
I had the 2.5 TD before. Is the n/a ok?
I should be asking you about the turbo version mate as the reason i didn't reccomend it was that i have heard they have problems. Don't know what exactly, just that they werent very good. This is all hearsay by the way as i have no experience in the older diesels. But for economy and off roading ability, they should be adequate. A colleague at work has an sII perkins conversion that cost about £800. He uses it as a fun/rat vehicle in that he has taken off the roof and drives it around in the summer doing what he wants to it as it was cheap. He says it pulls like a train!.
I had an old 2.25 petrol which was a great landrover ( see profile )although it cost more than a v8 to keep filling and was sooooo slow. They do a power conversion kit now although not sure what that will do to your economy. I will look for a link.
www.automotivecomp.com/landrover_perf.html
Second thoughts at over £1500 for a kit i don't think it is a viable option as you can get a v8 for less.
Second thoughts at over £1500 for a kit i don't think it is a viable option as you can get a v8 for less.
Another option is an early Discovery which whilst not looking so much 'Land rover ish' will still come with a 111hp TDi engine (as long as you don't go for the 2.0 mpi or V8!) I have just bought one (a 300 TDi) and they are just as capable as a 90 off road (subject to tyres) and are much more user friendly (including PAS and electric windows as standard). And you will get about 30mpg!
NB make a note of the power output of the early 90 TD engines - LRO mag has them down as 85bhp and 150 lbft of torque, compared with 111bhp & 195 lbft for the TDi engine!
Hope this helps.
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 13:15
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 13:19
NB make a note of the power output of the early 90 TD engines - LRO mag has them down as 85bhp and 150 lbft of torque, compared with 111bhp & 195 lbft for the TDi engine!
Hope this helps.
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 13:15
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 13:19
My old one always seemed to be a bit lacking in power, even with the turbo, but maybe the turbo is just something else to potentially go wrong. I'm pretty sure that a lot of the journeys I did it was spinning away most of the time and that probably wasn't helping the economy!
Thing is, my over riding memory isn't off roading, it is driving down to lands end for a weekends rock climbing, and driving from petrol station to petrol station.
Now, as it won't be an only car, I'm not sure this will still be a problem. As long as it has got enough power to pull it around on fairly short trips then that will be fine. As far as I can tell from LRO they are all pretty competent and will do the job, even with the early engines.
Thing is, my over riding memory isn't off roading, it is driving down to lands end for a weekends rock climbing, and driving from petrol station to petrol station.
Now, as it won't be an only car, I'm not sure this will still be a problem. As long as it has got enough power to pull it around on fairly short trips then that will be fine. As far as I can tell from LRO they are all pretty competent and will do the job, even with the early engines.
Apparently the early turbo engines have a lot of problems with the head cracking. The turbo doesn't necessarily use more fuel as it means you are using less effort to get going. Remember that 'TD' just means 'Turbodeisel' and TDi means 'Turbo-direct injection' which is a later idea and more efficient. I have driven a 110 TD on an E-plate and it felt seriously slow compared to my Disco. Decent TDi 90's (G-plate onwards) seem to fetch serious money (around £5k).
The 90 shape would be more suitable than the Disco for more rough stuff as it has less overhanging plastic bits to knock off!
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 14:26
The 90 shape would be more suitable than the Disco for more rough stuff as it has less overhanging plastic bits to knock off!
>> Edited by cpas on Monday 18th October 14:26
madbadger said:
I've been pondering getting another Landie (had an '87 90 before and had to sell it as it was an only car and I couldn't cope with 14mpg as a young graduate) for ages now, but with winter approaching have been doing a bit of digging.
It seems that within my budget (3k tops) I have a fair choice of either 90s or series III.
I want to use it off the road, but also as a practical load lugger as I can't get many mountain bikes in the tiv. Also I will definately be commuting on the icy days, (12 miles each way).
Not really sure what to do, so any advice or thoughts appreciated.
Hi, fellow Tiv driver looking to do similer!! Have been looking today as the wife wants a Defender to match her wellies!
What sort of running costs are we looking at for servicing and tyres etc?
More converts..!
I sold my boxster for a defender 50th anniversary (4.0 V8 auto) and I can honestly say I have never regretted it. She's an absolute beauty
Tyres form mine (265/75/16) BFG AT KO £120 each fitted although you should get ~60,000+ miles out of a set. A bit more than the boxster, or a TVR for that matter.
I'm not 100% on this but I think the LR main dealer wants about £400 once a year for servicing the V8.
Petrol consumption is a bit steep at 16mpg when driven briskly but you can float down the motorway at 80 then do a day in the mud and float back again - remarkable considering really.
Go on you know it makes sense...
I sold my boxster for a defender 50th anniversary (4.0 V8 auto) and I can honestly say I have never regretted it. She's an absolute beauty
Tyres form mine (265/75/16) BFG AT KO £120 each fitted although you should get ~60,000+ miles out of a set. A bit more than the boxster, or a TVR for that matter.
I'm not 100% on this but I think the LR main dealer wants about £400 once a year for servicing the V8.
Petrol consumption is a bit steep at 16mpg when driven briskly but you can float down the motorway at 80 then do a day in the mud and float back again - remarkable considering really.
Go on you know it makes sense...
DRG said:
More converts..!
I sold my boxster for a defender 50th anniversary (4.0 V8 auto) and I can honestly say I have never regretted it. She's an absolute beauty
Tyres form mine (265/75/16) BFG AT KO £120 each fitted although you should get ~60,000+ miles out of a set. A bit more than the boxster, or a TVR for that matter.
I'm not 100% on this but I think the LR main dealer wants about £400 once a year for servicing the V8.
Petrol consumption is a bit steep at 16mpg when driven briskly but you can float down the motorway at 80 then do a day in the mud and float back again - remarkable considering really.
Go on you know it makes sense...
We are definitely up for a Defender - I don`t know what is happening to us but now we live out in the country, our views on what is important seem to be changing. We had a look round a John Deere dealership last week, they even had little tractor Christmas lights!
- and we like them
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