All New Defender?
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Rumors of an all-new Defender are starting to emerge.
What I know by fact is that the 2005 model will have a new V6 BiTurbo engine ( same as in the Jag ) ... but everything i heared about a face lift stays a rumor till I see a DefenderII in the flesh.
Has anybody of you more Informations?
What I know by fact is that the 2005 model will have a new V6 BiTurbo engine ( same as in the Jag ) ... but everything i heared about a face lift stays a rumor till I see a DefenderII in the flesh.
Has anybody of you more Informations?
Newromancer said:
Rumors of an all-new Defender are starting to emerge.
What I know by fact is that the 2005 model will have a new V6 BiTurbo engine ( same as in the Jag ) ... but everything i heared about a face lift stays a rumor till I see a DefenderII in the flesh.
Has anybody of you more Informations?
We are now making decision for a new defender, are there any news what to come and if worth a wait?
Is it just new engine and small details or a complete design revolution like the latest Disco?
If somebody knows more, please let us know.
Thanks,
Martin
All,
the main one is the change of engine from the td5 to the ford puma unit that is currently used in the transit (2.3), also safety improvements air bags/seatbelt arrangement, quality improvement ie, tighter pannel fit and a cost reduction in parts ie, use the ford parts bin.
hope this helps.
the main one is the change of engine from the td5 to the ford puma unit that is currently used in the transit (2.3), also safety improvements air bags/seatbelt arrangement, quality improvement ie, tighter pannel fit and a cost reduction in parts ie, use the ford parts bin.
hope this helps.
farmeryellow said:
All,
the main one is the change of engine from the td5 to the ford puma unit that is currently used in the transit (2.3), also safety improvements air bags/seatbelt arrangement, quality improvement ie, tighter pannel fit and a cost reduction in parts ie, use the ford parts bin.
hope this helps.
This means no change of car design what would probably be good news.
Who cares about panel fit on a Defender anyway?
What do you think about this new engine?
their going to have to do somthing, as officially there is going to be no discovery 3 commercial, and you'll not get the dico commercial drivers in to a draughty old ergonomically challenged defender...
( as much as i loved my old 90)
in fact i've already started looking at dodge ram and chevy silverado ss to replace mine next year...
and the number of ex l/r now mitsu l200 drivers i see around..
( as much as i loved my old 90)
in fact i've already started looking at dodge ram and chevy silverado ss to replace mine next year...
and the number of ex l/r now mitsu l200 drivers i see around..
Griffithy said:
Who cares about panel fit on a Defender anyway?
Exactly!
Griffithy said:
What do you think about this new engine?
Well, they are ... economically.
Which I don't mind that much, what I mind is the small fuel tank ... for a car with a reputation of corssing deserts, I would have guessed it carries at least a 120 liters, which it doesn't.
Personally I think that the old 300 Diesel was the best engine - as you could fix it without a diagnostic computer.
Hi Martin!!!
and thanks for the roses!
MG first,
Bought it 2 years old with 20t km on the clock - but compleatly wrong set up. Brought it to an MG/Rover (Landrover and Jaguar) dealer near by to pump it up and set it back to normal. (After I hit a sidewalk with minor damadges to the tieres.) At the moment I changed the setting to personal wishes ... after advice from the Club ... the original setting is rubish, the car handles and feels much better when you make it lightly oversteering -> at the downside you must know what to do when things breake lose - so if you are not used to RWD it might be tricky. Maintaince (Repair and Service) kosts are relatively high ... around 1000,- EUR a year. (MG parts are very expensive over here, and my garage is not really cheap too.)
However, I must say, if treaded right (warmed up and cooled down every time) the car turned out to be reliable. (broke down only once - see profile)
(p.s. the German MG-community is great!!! and I never got a speeding ticket.)
We bought the Defender this Summer, so it is a bit early to talk about reliabilaty ... till now, flawless.
There are a bunch of modifiacations we want to make on the car and it never been in 'rough' area by now ... some offroading light and a bit up hills. (This was a very snow-free winter till now.
) Thinking about making a little skiing trip to the alps right now.
To answer your question, the only unsatisfing bit we found till now is the heater. (Car needs ages to warm up ... maybe one of the first things we modify.)
If there is anything in special you want to know, just aks?
ps. Would love to repleace the MG with an TVR Chimaera, but my better half demands that my next toy must have 4 seats and be prepeared to fit a baby-seat. So I testdrove a Jaguar and was more then just unsatisfied (not the fault of the car, it was me who had wrong expactations) ... hard to find anything with 4 seats that fancys me ... so the solution, most likely, will be to get a 3rd car and keep the top down funster, for fun. *shrug*
So you think about getting a Defender right now?
If it's 2nd Hand, be so kind and tell me about the price, as we searched the marked the prices have been far away from realistic.
I hope you keep the Trev!!!
( Austria can't affort to loose one
)
- Chris
and thanks for the roses!
Griffithy said:
How are you going on with the MG?
How satisfied are you with the Landy?
MG first,
Bought it 2 years old with 20t km on the clock - but compleatly wrong set up. Brought it to an MG/Rover (Landrover and Jaguar) dealer near by to pump it up and set it back to normal. (After I hit a sidewalk with minor damadges to the tieres.) At the moment I changed the setting to personal wishes ... after advice from the Club ... the original setting is rubish, the car handles and feels much better when you make it lightly oversteering -> at the downside you must know what to do when things breake lose - so if you are not used to RWD it might be tricky. Maintaince (Repair and Service) kosts are relatively high ... around 1000,- EUR a year. (MG parts are very expensive over here, and my garage is not really cheap too.)
However, I must say, if treaded right (warmed up and cooled down every time) the car turned out to be reliable. (broke down only once - see profile)
(p.s. the German MG-community is great!!! and I never got a speeding ticket.)
We bought the Defender this Summer, so it is a bit early to talk about reliabilaty ... till now, flawless.
There are a bunch of modifiacations we want to make on the car and it never been in 'rough' area by now ... some offroading light and a bit up hills. (This was a very snow-free winter till now.
) Thinking about making a little skiing trip to the alps right now. To answer your question, the only unsatisfing bit we found till now is the heater. (Car needs ages to warm up ... maybe one of the first things we modify.)
If there is anything in special you want to know, just aks?
ps. Would love to repleace the MG with an TVR Chimaera, but my better half demands that my next toy must have 4 seats and be prepeared to fit a baby-seat. So I testdrove a Jaguar and was more then just unsatisfied (not the fault of the car, it was me who had wrong expactations) ... hard to find anything with 4 seats that fancys me ... so the solution, most likely, will be to get a 3rd car and keep the top down funster, for fun. *shrug*
So you think about getting a Defender right now?
If it's 2nd Hand, be so kind and tell me about the price, as we searched the marked the prices have been far away from realistic.
I hope you keep the Trev!!!
( Austria can't affort to loose one
) - Chris
Hi Chris,
If you like a TVR you must get one, you will not regret it.
You know, you do not have a big choice only Chimaera or Griffith, with cat built between 1995 to app. 2000, are getting Austrian road permission after a hard test. So you have to find a nice one, what you should do anyway, because a well maintained one with extensive service history makes life over here much easier. For all things you want to have done on it you have to get the spareparts from some German dealers or from England directly, not always that easy.
And a trustful mechanics is important, too.
As you are not spoilt from your MG you will easily handle a TVR.
But EUR 1.000,-- p/a will not bring you that far in a
TVR. But you will not care, promissed
You have not tested that one with the additional letter "R" I suppose
The most appropriate baby carrier would of course be the Cerbera.
A preowned one seems not to make much sence, they keep their value very well, makes no sence in saving EUR 10.000,- and purchasing one with 100.000km done.
No way of something instead of the Griff, just to add a Cerbera and a Tuscan would be nice.
>> Edited by Griffithy on Thursday 20th January 18:12
Newromancer said:
Would love to repleace the MG with an TVR Chimaera, but my better half demands that my next toy must have 4 seats and be prepeared to fit a baby-seat.
If you like a TVR you must get one, you will not regret it.
You know, you do not have a big choice only Chimaera or Griffith, with cat built between 1995 to app. 2000, are getting Austrian road permission after a hard test. So you have to find a nice one, what you should do anyway, because a well maintained one with extensive service history makes life over here much easier. For all things you want to have done on it you have to get the spareparts from some German dealers or from England directly, not always that easy.
And a trustful mechanics is important, too.
As you are not spoilt from your MG you will easily handle a TVR.
But EUR 1.000,-- p/a will not bring you that far in a
TVR. But you will not care, promissed
Newromancer said:
So I testdrove a Jaguar and was more then just unsatisfied (not the fault of the car, it was me who had wrong expactations) ...
You have not tested that one with the additional letter "R" I suppose
Newromancer said:
hard to find anything with 4 seats that fancys me ... so the solution, most likely, will be to get a 3rd car and keep the top down funster, for fun. *shrug*
The most appropriate baby carrier would of course be the Cerbera.
Newromancer said:
So you think about getting a Defender right now?
If it's 2nd Hand, be so kind and tell me about the price, as we searched the marked the prices have been far away from realistic
A preowned one seems not to make much sence, they keep their value very well, makes no sence in saving EUR 10.000,- and purchasing one with 100.000km done.
Newromancer said:
I hope you keep the Trev!!!
( Austria can't affort to loose one
No way of something instead of the Griff, just to add a Cerbera and a Tuscan would be nice.
>> Edited by Griffithy on Thursday 20th January 18:12
Griffithy said:
If you like a TVR you must get one, you will not regret it.
You know, you do not have a big choice only Chimaera or Griffith, with cat built between 1995 to app. 2000, are getting Austrian road permission after a hard test.
*bugger* It is the form of the Chimaera and Cerbera that fancy's me most. I sort of like the Cerbera a bit more, but then - you can't take the roof off.
But I think we better take some time to discuss this
The 1000,- EUR p/a are more then necessary, I think 50% is spent, even if not neccesary, like exchanging MKI with more trust proofe MKII parts and so on.
- I like the MG (with all it's faults) and want to keep it running. (And not use it up within a few years.)
Griffithy said:
You have not tested that one with the additional letter "R" I suppose
I wanted to test a V6 one (while the MG was at it's 100tkm Service - with actually 60tkm on the clock), as the V8 might be a bit expensive in running costs ... unfortinatly they sold the demo car, so I ended up with a V8 one - sounded smooth like a pussy cat. But as mentioned before, I had different excpactations, the car actually drove like I would expect it from a XJ.
Griffithy said:
A preowned one seems not to make much sence, they keep their value very well, makes no sence in saving EUR 10.000,- and purchasing one with 100.000km done.
Yes, the reason why we bought a new one ... the only ones you can find relativly cheap are the old V8 ones.
We testdrove a 2 year old one, for 29 something with 30tkm on the clock ... the only things the model had our's didn't was metalic colour and winter package (heated windows and seats) ... and we bought one new for 31k.
My better half would tell you that you should go for the heated window ... but I don't think so, what you really would need is heated mirrows.
Ohh, and if you are going for the LKW Version, the glases in the back are welded, but the "Typenschein" says: "Verblecht oder Vergittert". We didn't knew that! And there is an optional "Hundegitter" available instead the "Trennwand".
Is it worth waiting for the V6 engine?
Probably yes, the TD5 is not so bad (needs around 11L for a 100km) and has 120PS ... there is a PBox (tuining) availabel, which makes sense, because the same engine produces a 140PS in the Disco (looks like LandRover de-tunied it, for reliability reasons?). I guess the new engine will be more powerful and for sure more economical - as the TD5 is borderlining with the law right now.
-
Christian
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