flywheel housing oil seal mini mk 1 1961

flywheel housing oil seal mini mk 1 1961

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handy andy

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63 posts

193 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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the flywheel housing oil seal is leaking
its the red one
is it possible to change this WITHOUT taking out the engine
i seem to remember a while ago reading this but am unsure of the procedure to remove it
i realise i have to take the flywheel off
any help and tips appreciated
andy

guru_1071

2,768 posts

241 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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andy

its easy, just remove the flywheel - theres a special tool you can use to drwa the primary gear out - which removes the seal - then another special tool to press the seal back in.

you can 'flick' the seal out with a screwdriver, but you will need the tool to fit the seal with no worry of it leaking.

you will also need a special tool to remove the flywheel

rich

Cooperman

4,428 posts

257 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Quite right, as always, Richy.
I always just dig the old seal out with a thin screwdriver, but I do have the correct tool - that's the 'top-hat' tool to push the seal home nice and square and the protection sleeve to guard the lip of the seal whilst it passes over the primary gear splines. In fact, it an be done without any special loating tools and using masking tape wound around the splines, but it's easy to get it out of square and then it can damage the new seal.

annodomini2

6,912 posts

258 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Cooperman said:
Quite right, as always, Richy.
I always just dig the old seal out with a thin screwdriver, but I do have the correct tool - that's the 'top-hat' tool to push the seal home nice and square and the protection sleeve to guard the lip of the seal whilst it passes over the primary gear splines. In fact, it an be done without any special loating tools and using masking tape wound around the splines, but it's easy to get it out of square and then it can damage the new seal.
The pullers are rarer than hens teeth

But would definitely recommend the insertion tool.

handy andy

Original Poster:

63 posts

193 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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thanks for all the info gents
i have the flywheel puller but not the special top hat tool you mentionedfor fitting the new seal
where could i get this and is it very expensive
andy

annodomini2

6,912 posts

258 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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guru_1071

2,768 posts

241 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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annodomini2 said:
thats the 'putter - inner'

the 'puller - outer' is a sykes tool that turns up on ebay.

that and the awsome hydraulic flywheel puller ive just bought makes doing stuff like this an actual pleasure!

cone

471 posts

242 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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I could be wrong but , don't the early flywheel housings have a flange behind the seal which prevents the gear being pulled out like the later ones, I'm sure i've come across this and thought what a dumb idea

guru_1071

2,768 posts

241 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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cone said:
I could be wrong but , don't the early flywheel housings have a flange behind the seal which prevents the gear being pulled out like the later ones, I'm sure i've come across this and thought what a dumb idea
your right rich, but i think the primary gear will pass though?, the lip just lets the oil seal locate in the right place.

will look into it and let you know!

cone

471 posts

242 months

Thursday 8th April 2010
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I know when i did my 850 i'm sure it came to a "stop" when it backed onto the lip ,so didn't fancy breaking owt - but Randy says his came through with a bit of alloy swarf on the gear teeth.

handy andy

Original Poster:

63 posts

193 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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DO YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE PRIMARY GEAR TO FIT THE SEAL
AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE A FLYWHEEL OIL SEAL FITTING TOOL THEY WANT TO SELL
HAVE LOOKED ELSWHERE AND NO LUCK
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP ANDY

cone

471 posts

242 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Also remember to emery the slots in the crank where the "C" clip slots before you pull the gear passed it, saves yo scoring the inner bushes.

annodomini2

6,912 posts

258 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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handy andy said:
DO YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE PRIMARY GEAR TO FIT THE SEAL
AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE A FLYWHEEL OIL SEAL FITTING TOOL THEY WANT TO SELL
HAVE LOOKED ELSWHERE AND NO LUCK
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP ANDY
No the primary gear needs to be in place when you fit the seal.

The fitting tool I listed above, the puller is no longer made and are as rare as hen's teeth, expect to pay over £100 for one, if you can find one.

Try your local mini club, someone may have one you could borrow.

Cooperman

4,428 posts

257 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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You can change the seal without either the removal or re-fitting tool. It's just a lot easier if you have the right tools for the job.
I've never had a seal removal tool and never had any problems getting the old ones out. I used to use a 6" long piece of pipe the same diameter as the outside diameter of the seal for re-fitting and masking tape coated in light grease to protect the lip of the seal when sliding it over the primary gear splines and over the lip onto the primary gear plain section after the splines. Then just held the tube against the seal and gently tapped it until it was in the correct position.
It is easier with the top-hat tool though. I thought Mini Spares sold them (Richy?).

handy andy

Original Poster:

63 posts

193 months

Saturday 10th April 2010
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THANKS THATS GREAT ADVICE
MANY THANKS
ANDY

handy andy

Original Poster:

63 posts

193 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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HAVE GOT THE FLYWHEEL SEAL FITTING TOOL NOW
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP
ANDY