rear camber brackets

rear camber brackets

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lickyl

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1 posts

165 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Morning all, I am new on here and not good with computers so tend to avoid them, anyway I was just having a look on here for some advice on suspension set up, as I am building a trackday mini.
I came accross a post where FWDRACER said you can mod your rear camber brackets rather that buying the adjustable ones.
Does anyone have any more info on this and are the adjustable ones not worth buying.
Thanks in advance.

Cerberus90

1,553 posts

220 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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You usually just file the hole to adjust the camber, then once you've got it to where you want it, weld a big washer on to keep it in place.

I 'think' you'd have to file the hole upwards, to move the radius arm up, thus increasing negative camber.


It all depends on what you want to do. Lots of people do the DIY method.
If you want adjustability, then buy the brackets.
If you want to set it and that'll be it, you could try DIY'ing it, if it works, you've saved yourself the cost of the brackets, if it doesn't work, then just buy some adjustable ones.

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

231 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Morning.

The movement of the outer hole upwards to create the negative camber is spot on. When set-up, weld the outer washer. The beauty of this set-up is that it will not move. Through experienc the only adjustable camber brackets that can withstand the rigours of racing (and for that read exhuberent trackdays) is the KAD set-up. These are pricey.

haynes

370 posts

249 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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I knew Peter Cooperman had been through this before, links below:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... wheels sit at different angles

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... wheel alignment

DanGT

753 posts

233 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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For me the camber brackets dont cost that mutch and are easy to ajust and change if you want to change your set up for any reson. They work well and in 3 years of racing I never had any problems.

guru_1071

2,768 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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for any hard use (i.e rally or circuit) the kad brackets are a must

none of the cheaper ones can cope with the side loadings of the tyres, not witout odification and a short life span!

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

231 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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guru_1071 said:
for any hard use (i.e rally or circuit) the kad brackets are a must

none of the cheaper ones can cope with the side loadings of the tyres, not witout odification and a short life span!
wink

Rich - another voice of experience...??

guru_1071

2,768 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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the off i had at croft when my cheap brackets broke still gives me 'the fear' now!!

crash on saturday, buy kad on monday!!!

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

231 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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I never had a terminal failure touch wood. Few where the handling has gone wayward and then the bracket has partially sheared eek. I've reinforced, reinforced and then had them made by my companies toolroom (foreigner - they love 'em wink) in 3mm Gauge!

Yet to succumb to the KAD ones financially hehe

GTIAlex06

221 posts

165 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Iv had the minispares brackets fitted for a while now with no problems.

DanGT

753 posts

233 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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My mini spares brackets were on for about 10 years no problems, sprinting test days and road use BUT NOT RALLY. Rally must be the hardest test for any part?

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

231 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Have to disagree. Side loadings generated by hot slicks will quickly expose rear camber bracket strength deficiency. A few of the circuit brigade have had 'offs' as a result of failures...

Cooperman

4,428 posts

257 months

Saturday 16th July 2011
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FWDRacer said:
Have to disagree. Side loadings generated by hot slicks will quickly expose rear camber bracket strength deficiency. A few of the circuit brigade have had 'offs' as a result of failures...
I've never used the adjustable brackets as I am a bit concerned about the strength and would never ever fit them for rallying. in fact, I've even had standard brackets start to fail by splitting downwards from the top on a rally 'S'. I now weld a small triangular gusset in 1/8" steel at the top of the bracket to prevent this.
I too have heard of adjustable brackets failing under track use with ultra-sticky tyres.

nick1275

1,272 posts

177 months

Sunday 17th July 2011
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ive got huddersfield ones, there crap. saving up for some kad ones. mine are set a max negativity and on a camber guage they read zero, and theyve made it toe out way to much

Cooperman

4,428 posts

257 months

Sunday 17th July 2011
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nick1275 said:
ive got huddersfield ones, there crap. saving up for some kad ones. mine are set a max negativity and on a camber guage they read zero, and theyve made it toe out way to much
Any rear toe-out is too much. The rear must have some toe-in, ideally between 1 mm and 2 mm.