Griff 500 v 993
Discussion
I think the general consensus will be:
1) It won't break down as much
2) It'll be a bit slower and a bit more boring on occasions
and also
3) you will have two tiny rear seats
I have tried to get 1) and 2) in quickly as they are pretty obvious, and I don't think *anybody* wants yet another Porsche vs Tiv thread. If you want a deep and philosophical answer regarding the different ownership experiences, I'd search this site for previous threads of this nature, and failing that ask Bennno and Flasher for their opinions off-list and then stand well back!
From a personal perspective I'd say you were being very sensible (although some would say *too* sensible!).
Rgds
Domster
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 5th March 12:07
1) It won't break down as much
2) It'll be a bit slower and a bit more boring on occasions
and also
3) you will have two tiny rear seats
I have tried to get 1) and 2) in quickly as they are pretty obvious, and I don't think *anybody* wants yet another Porsche vs Tiv thread. If you want a deep and philosophical answer regarding the different ownership experiences, I'd search this site for previous threads of this nature, and failing that ask Bennno and Flasher for their opinions off-list and then stand well back!
From a personal perspective I'd say you were being very sensible (although some would say *too* sensible!).
Rgds
Domster
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 5th March 12:07
thanks domster
I didn't want to start off another huge debate but I could see how this might happen.
As an fyi I love driving the Griff but don't feel very comfortable in it at speed or on track days (car is a bit nervous). Also would appreciate better build quality - although not too bad overall there are some things that are not acceptable such as the flimsy bonnet and the fact that the chassis is already corroding.
I didn't want to start off another huge debate but I could see how this might happen.
As an fyi I love driving the Griff but don't feel very comfortable in it at speed or on track days (car is a bit nervous). Also would appreciate better build quality - although not too bad overall there are some things that are not acceptable such as the flimsy bonnet and the fact that the chassis is already corroding.
Yes, I can see where you are coming from. I also found the Griff (4.0) a bit twitchy to drive.
The 993 is a remarkably able car. I don't think you will be disappointed as they still have a lot of character (exhaust note, big rev counter bang in front of you) and handle/go pretty well.
The variants that meet the Griff 500 performance-wise are the 993 RS (about 37-40k LHD) and the 993 Twin Turbo (about 35k-45k LHD). The 993TT is as quick as a Tuscan (0-60 in 3.9, 0-100 in 9), whereas the RS is more of a track proposition.
Even the standard C2 is nippy - low fives to sixty and a top whack over 160. Maintenance is v cheap, and parts are readily available. JZ Maztech, a respected Porsche independent, charge 34 quid an hour for servicing.
If you don't like the TVR build attitude (treating front wishbones as 'wear items' on Chimps) because of rust problems, then a Porshce will hit the spot.
Rgds
Domster
The 993 is a remarkably able car. I don't think you will be disappointed as they still have a lot of character (exhaust note, big rev counter bang in front of you) and handle/go pretty well.
The variants that meet the Griff 500 performance-wise are the 993 RS (about 37-40k LHD) and the 993 Twin Turbo (about 35k-45k LHD). The 993TT is as quick as a Tuscan (0-60 in 3.9, 0-100 in 9), whereas the RS is more of a track proposition.
Even the standard C2 is nippy - low fives to sixty and a top whack over 160. Maintenance is v cheap, and parts are readily available. JZ Maztech, a respected Porsche independent, charge 34 quid an hour for servicing.
If you don't like the TVR build attitude (treating front wishbones as 'wear items' on Chimps) because of rust problems, then a Porshce will hit the spot.
Rgds
Domster
Hi UV,
Yeah, only you would upgrade the upgraded suspension! Still, let me know how you get on, as I may give them another T2 to sort out at some point...
Still quite like that yellow 3.6 but Greg not keen. Will have to see. Quest continues methinks.
Rgds
Domster
PS If you fancy alternative wheels, then BBS Direct are doing decent deals on wheel and tyre packages - about 1300 for four 18 inchers with rubber (damn sight cheaper than the official 3.6 Speedlines) and almost as good looking. Alternatively, save some unsprung weight and go for billet aluminium Image split rims... as used on Ultimas... about 380 quid each wheel excluding rubber.
Yeah, only you would upgrade the upgraded suspension! Still, let me know how you get on, as I may give them another T2 to sort out at some point...
Still quite like that yellow 3.6 but Greg not keen. Will have to see. Quest continues methinks.
Rgds
Domster
PS If you fancy alternative wheels, then BBS Direct are doing decent deals on wheel and tyre packages - about 1300 for four 18 inchers with rubber (damn sight cheaper than the official 3.6 Speedlines) and almost as good looking. Alternatively, save some unsprung weight and go for billet aluminium Image split rims... as used on Ultimas... about 380 quid each wheel excluding rubber.
craig,
if you want to use it with the track in mind. Then definitly go for a 993 RS Clubsport (not 993 RS). I have a friend you has one of these and we've been to the track at the same time. The RS is *much* for focused than a standard 993 or 993TT. The turbo may be faster down the straights but the RS is much more rewarding in the corners - and has a much more direct feel and faster around the track. The downside is that you don't have back seat (for what they are worth) or any creature comforts like elecy windows, air con, more noisy etc. But you get roll cage more downforce, lower suspension, the 993TT brakes, its 300 bhp rather tan 275 bhp and a 100 Kg lighter. Its the better track car of the family by far.
If you're going to use the car everyday (in the wet) then the 993TT is the best. (Not that I'm biased ;-) )
if you want to use it with the track in mind. Then definitly go for a 993 RS Clubsport (not 993 RS). I have a friend you has one of these and we've been to the track at the same time. The RS is *much* for focused than a standard 993 or 993TT. The turbo may be faster down the straights but the RS is much more rewarding in the corners - and has a much more direct feel and faster around the track. The downside is that you don't have back seat (for what they are worth) or any creature comforts like elecy windows, air con, more noisy etc. But you get roll cage more downforce, lower suspension, the 993TT brakes, its 300 bhp rather tan 275 bhp and a 100 Kg lighter. Its the better track car of the family by far.
If you're going to use the car everyday (in the wet) then the 993TT is the best. (Not that I'm biased ;-) )
bosshog - I've been thinking about the 993 RS v T4 recently. I've decided this would be the ultimate 911 ever made in terms of looks, noise, ability etc: A T4 stripped out and fitted with RS steering rack, suspension etc, etc. Sod practicality, just out and out ability all round - no compromise.
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bosshog - I've been thinking about the 993 RS v T4 recently. I've decided this would be the ultimate 911 ever made in terms of looks, noise, ability etc: A T4 stripped out and fitted with RS steering rack, suspension etc, etc. Sod practicality, just out and out ability all round - no compromise.
Hi - if your thinking about stripping out a turbo then your really thinking about turning it into a GT2 - why not just buy one of these (if you can afford it). To me its THE 911 to have. Monsterous power and total track cabability with great looks and sound.
The thing to remember though is if you're gonna strip down a t4 then it AWD not rear wheel drive so it'll always rob you of some feel from the front. You'll need to do the suspension, roll cage, and the GT2 oil coolers, and prehaps a modest power hike ~450 bhp
. >> Edited by bosshog on Thursday 7th March 09:51
I sold my Griff500 for a 996 C2 (et al the GT3 bits) ...
Suffered the boredom (granted v reliable boredom) for 12 months -
Sold - purchased a 4.5 Cerby & a '69 Healy.
Yes reliability IS a problem - but scream per mile the TVR wins over & over again.
BE really careful B4 you take the Porsche route....granted tho the 993 is more of a "real" car IMO than the 996.
Just my two penny worth.....
Suffered the boredom (granted v reliable boredom) for 12 months -
Sold - purchased a 4.5 Cerby & a '69 Healy.
Yes reliability IS a problem - but scream per mile the TVR wins over & over again.
BE really careful B4 you take the Porsche route....granted tho the 993 is more of a "real" car IMO than the 996.
Just my two penny worth.....
I was in the market for a lesser 911 only a month-ago. Either a 964RS (RHD 20K miles) or a T2. The RS was by far the best car I have ever driven. Before any Gay-lord shite pipes up I have had the fortune to drive a number of tres-rapied cars.
Summary (in I cant be arsed to post becaause i'm in pissedmode) the RS is fan-bloody-tastic if your going to track. Close to perfect. Significantly better than most modern sports Cars (read the EVO article, which I have a copy of if any one wants). It's a 'proper'race car. The T2 is very much more like a TVR, very quick but without the composure (never driven a Tamora so don't get arsie (sic)) .
If I had the money i'd buy a EVO VI for day-day and a 964 RS for track days....
And a hangover cure for tomorroew.....Burrrrrp....
fu(*k I feel illllll.......
Summary (in I cant be arsed to post becaause i'm in pissedmode) the RS is fan-bloody-tastic if your going to track. Close to perfect. Significantly better than most modern sports Cars (read the EVO article, which I have a copy of if any one wants). It's a 'proper'race car. The T2 is very much more like a TVR, very quick but without the composure (never driven a Tamora so don't get arsie (sic)) .
If I had the money i'd buy a EVO VI for day-day and a 964 RS for track days....
And a hangover cure for tomorroew.....Burrrrrp....
fu(*k I feel illllll.......
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TVR's are amazing tho - am I allowed to say that here
Oh, alright then...just this once.
But one more violation, and we'll have the Porker evangelists at your door quicker than you can say Cayenne !
Actually, watching Wrong Car Right Car last night when they showed the Chim and price, Emma blurted out "Oh s*** ! I could have had one of them"
Here we go again......
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