wet driver footwell carpets
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after heavy rain this weekend, noticed driver side carpets very wet. (passenger side dry as a bone) - pretty sure it is not clutch fluid (as the rain was very heavy this weekend) and pretty sure it's neither the roof (seats dry)or the pedals (dry under the pedal area)
any ideas ? do the door sills leak on Griffs ?
sorry if this one has been tackled before !!
any ideas ? do the door sills leak on Griffs ?
sorry if this one has been tackled before !!
I have the same problem on mine and I found that the rubber door seals although look ok do not seal.Water actually comes in at the bottom of the door (capillary action )only when the car is stood.To prove this I sat in the car with my wife spraying with a hose pipe.Water was coming up between the seal and body of the car soaking through the carpet and into the footwell.
Pete VG
Pete VG
These are the two old favourites.
The rubber door seal,
Water always seeps in from the front edge, along the windscreen and at the corners, this then runs down the inside edge of the seal to the bottom and spills over on inside. The fix for this is to “Pinch and Glue” the seal. This is done usually at two positions along the bottom part of the seal a few inches from each end and about an inch long (mine was done by TMS under warranty). Inject Evostick into the seal and then pinch the seal together until it sets. Once done the water runs round the inside as before but then out through the new gap at the bottom of the door.
The inner wing area,
Water is washed over the inner wing and seeps through the joints with the brake reservoir, grommets etc. It is very difficult to tell if these seals are broken or not. If your experiencing leaks then the best option is to remove the seals and grommets, clean the area and reseal it all with silicone.
Whilst investigating my leaks it noticed that water had been running down the bulkhead onto the steering column bearing assembly, which was showing some signs of rust, it turned out to be only the fasteners and the bearing itself was fine.
To check the inner wing reservoir seal and grommets etc. build a wall with blue tack round each one in turn and fill the area with water. This is easier than performing acrobatics with a watering can and it is soon obvious which one is leaking.
Cheers,
Simon.
The rubber door seal,
Water always seeps in from the front edge, along the windscreen and at the corners, this then runs down the inside edge of the seal to the bottom and spills over on inside. The fix for this is to “Pinch and Glue” the seal. This is done usually at two positions along the bottom part of the seal a few inches from each end and about an inch long (mine was done by TMS under warranty). Inject Evostick into the seal and then pinch the seal together until it sets. Once done the water runs round the inside as before but then out through the new gap at the bottom of the door.
The inner wing area,
Water is washed over the inner wing and seeps through the joints with the brake reservoir, grommets etc. It is very difficult to tell if these seals are broken or not. If your experiencing leaks then the best option is to remove the seals and grommets, clean the area and reseal it all with silicone.
Whilst investigating my leaks it noticed that water had been running down the bulkhead onto the steering column bearing assembly, which was showing some signs of rust, it turned out to be only the fasteners and the bearing itself was fine.
To check the inner wing reservoir seal and grommets etc. build a wall with blue tack round each one in turn and fill the area with water. This is easier than performing acrobatics with a watering can and it is soon obvious which one is leaking.
Cheers,
Simon.
With the door seals if to make the two gaps along teh bottom edge..
lift the seal away from the body work, then grab teh seal and tuck under itself and push back onto body work.
This leaves a gap in the seal about the width of a thumb( of average size
) and is how my old door seal was done and my new
no glue needed as it holds itself.
Simon
lift the seal away from the body work, then grab teh seal and tuck under itself and push back onto body work.
This leaves a gap in the seal about the width of a thumb( of average size
) and is how my old door seal was done and my new no glue needed as it holds itself. Simon
Peel the seal off, get a tube of this :
www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/b/BITHA6/
Run a bead around the fibreglass edge and push the seal back on. This stuff works an absolute treat. I did the door seals and boot seals in my Chimaera and after using the same stuff under the bonnet the car was 100% waterproof.
www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/b/BITHA6/
Run a bead around the fibreglass edge and push the seal back on. This stuff works an absolute treat. I did the door seals and boot seals in my Chimaera and after using the same stuff under the bonnet the car was 100% waterproof.
Thanks everybody for all the responses - however last night discovered on close observation that the car has already had the 'evostick thumb size impression work' on the seals.
Also noticed that after a short shower, the driver side carpets are getting wet underneath first - ie maybe it is what 'shpub' suggested all along(the break master cylinder seal with wing)as the leak seems to be coming in underneath the carpet and then soaking through.
any further thoughts?
Also noticed that after a short shower, the driver side carpets are getting wet underneath first - ie maybe it is what 'shpub' suggested all along(the break master cylinder seal with wing)as the leak seems to be coming in underneath the carpet and then soaking through.
any further thoughts?
When my brake master cylinder leaked the water dripped through and down onto the top of the wheel arch bulkhead into the sound deadening foam. It then came out again at the floor into the channels running back to the seat crossmember, it was here where it was soaked up into the carpet giving the illusion of coming up through the floor or in from the door seal and the carpet behind the peddles on top of the foam remained dry. I was also amazed by the amount of water that came in this way.
Try the blue tack swimming pool method its cheap, quick and easy to spot, if I was a betting man this would be a dead-cert as the cause.
Cheers,
Simon.
Try the blue tack swimming pool method its cheap, quick and easy to spot, if I was a betting man this would be a dead-cert as the cause.
Cheers,
Simon.
Simon B - just had a thought - are you referring to the seals on the bottom of the door itself, or on the sill. The pinching with glue trick seems to have been applied to the seals on the sills but not the seals on the door.
I think what could be happening is that the seals on the window are letting in water which then escapes through the release holes but then cant exit due to the tight seals at the bottom of the door - the water then builds up and eventually flows down the side of the sill carpet and underneath the driver carpet...
Or am I just getting dangerously obsessed !
I think what could be happening is that the seals on the window are letting in water which then escapes through the release holes but then cant exit due to the tight seals at the bottom of the door - the water then builds up and eventually flows down the side of the sill carpet and underneath the driver carpet...
Or am I just getting dangerously obsessed !
I don’t think it would be the ones on the door. I know what you mean about water getting in to the door though, when I wash mine theirs always plenty dripping out from the door drain holes so I always make sure these stay clear. So if this was happening I’d still be getting wet carpets and I’m not.
Blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack,
Blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack, blue-tack,
Hi Quicksilver - I think I may be the previous owner of your Griff. Re wet carpets, it didn't used to have this problem, however it was garaged and didn't get rained on much, so may not have been apparent. There is a bit of the rubber seal on the drivers side door (between the door and the outside of the window) where the seal bends down rather than up. You need to have a look to see if this makes sense. Maybe if there is heavy rain water could somehow run down the outside of the window, inside the door and thence into the footwell. Maybe a long shot, but you never know!
Cheers.
Cheers.
Thanks very much gasblaster - this is exactly what I had spotted hence the previous post enquiring whether the seals at the bottom of the actual door might be the problem - hence the decision to 'point my hose' at the window and see what happens !! -
nontheless the leak still seems to be coming from 'underneath' - ie from the point at which the seat anchors to the floor hence my favourite candidate is still shpub's and Simon b's version of the break master cylinder seal with inner wing.
p.s - the car is fabulous!!! - really enjoying being back in the tiv fold !!
nontheless the leak still seems to be coming from 'underneath' - ie from the point at which the seat anchors to the floor hence my favourite candidate is still shpub's and Simon b's version of the break master cylinder seal with inner wing.
p.s - the car is fabulous!!! - really enjoying being back in the tiv fold !!
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