Update on Rob's car inspection
Discussion
As you know I had Rob Ingleby check a car out for me on Monday. He got in touch as soon as he had finished with some great news, I had found myself a fantastic car, lovely condition and drives really well. So much so he said that he would have it himself if I didn't go ahead. Obviously this was the car for me, so I contacted the owner and finalised the deal and arranged to transfer some money over to him the next morning. I'm on cloud nine! The phone rings about an hour later and it's Rob again, this time the news is not good, he has the results from the HPI check. The car is a category D write off! It was a long way down from that cloud.
Rob has since spoken to the owner, who was unaware of the cars history as he said he had bought it from a trader and had not done a HPI check himself.
He intends putting it back on the Market at a reduced price as a damage/repaired car.
If anyone else is in the market for a Griff 500 and would like more details on the car please contact me through my profile.
PS
Is anyone selling a nice one for up to 15k??
Rob has since spoken to the owner, who was unaware of the cars history as he said he had bought it from a trader and had not done a HPI check himself.
He intends putting it back on the Market at a reduced price as a damage/repaired car.
If anyone else is in the market for a Griff 500 and would like more details on the car please contact me through my profile.
PS
Is anyone selling a nice one for up to 15k??
Sorry to hear that Griffnut,sounds like it was a nice one too especially if Rob thought so.
Find it hard to believe the last owner hadnt done an HPI check before purchasing it himself.
Thats surely got to be done in this day and age with so many Cowboys out there.
All the best in Finding something else,i am sure youu will soon.
BB
Find it hard to believe the last owner hadnt done an HPI check before purchasing it himself.
Thats surely got to be done in this day and age with so many Cowboys out there.
All the best in Finding something else,i am sure youu will soon.
BB
Paul V said: Well if the car is that good why not get it at the reduced price? Your getting the same car for less money, that’s what I did when I found out my S was HPI listed, looked around at others but went back in the end, really glad I did.
my sentiments exactly .. why get a straight car that's possibly worse condition and higher price .. makes no sense to me .. buy the cat D car and get better value for money ..
I don't know what a cat D write off is but can you find out exactly what caused it? You can then check what would have been needed for the repair. I think you can get vehicles off the register on production of the correct documentation to prove the car has been properly repaired. However, I would agree that if the car is as good as Rob believes it is then there should be no problem with buying it.
There can be problems come sale time but as long as you are honest and have bills etc to prove how it's been looked after then you should have no real problems. Especially if you buy it at a reduced price you can sell it at one as well.
I'd also check it won't cause problems if you have to make an insurance claim. It shouldn't but they do try and use the smallest thing to get out of paying.
I can easily understand someone not doing a HPI check when purchasing from a dealer. You expect the dealer to have done it for you and notify you of any issues. When I bought my Griff I asked to see the dealers HPI report so I didn't have to pay for my own.
Maybe mention to the current owner that he should return to the place of purchase and play merry hell with them that he wasn't notified of the cars status - 'cos I bet they sold it at full wack despite the cat D. I should think it comes under the sale of goods act (although time limits and age of vehicle etc might cause problems).
There can be problems come sale time but as long as you are honest and have bills etc to prove how it's been looked after then you should have no real problems. Especially if you buy it at a reduced price you can sell it at one as well.
I'd also check it won't cause problems if you have to make an insurance claim. It shouldn't but they do try and use the smallest thing to get out of paying.
I can easily understand someone not doing a HPI check when purchasing from a dealer. You expect the dealer to have done it for you and notify you of any issues. When I bought my Griff I asked to see the dealers HPI report so I didn't have to pay for my own.
Maybe mention to the current owner that he should return to the place of purchase and play merry hell with them that he wasn't notified of the cars status - 'cos I bet they sold it at full wack despite the cat D. I should think it comes under the sale of goods act (although time limits and age of vehicle etc might cause problems).
By the power of Google:
Salvage is categorised from A to D
Category D
The least damage suffered of the four categories e.g. vehicles replaced under 'new for old' schemes, vehicles written-off to minimise hire charges.
The vehicle can be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. The PAV (Pre Accident Value) does not exceed £2,000 (£1,000 for motorcycles), or for more expensive vehicles, where the engineer's assessed repair costs do not exceed the PAV.
Category C
Substantial damage, but repairable by an repairer or enthusiast.
The vehicle can be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. The PAV (Pre Accident Value) exceeds £2,000 (£1,000 for motorcycles) and the engineer's assessed repair costs exceed the PAV.
Category B
Heavy damage e.g. bent chassis
The vehicle cannot be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. However, the vehicle contains economically salvageable parts.
Category A
A 'total loss' e.g. burn-out. The only value is the scrap metal.
The vehicle cannot be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs and there are no economically salvageable parts.
Care of: www.car-crime.com/salvage_category.htm
Howard
Salvage is categorised from A to D
Category D
The least damage suffered of the four categories e.g. vehicles replaced under 'new for old' schemes, vehicles written-off to minimise hire charges.
The vehicle can be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. The PAV (Pre Accident Value) does not exceed £2,000 (£1,000 for motorcycles), or for more expensive vehicles, where the engineer's assessed repair costs do not exceed the PAV.
Category C
Substantial damage, but repairable by an repairer or enthusiast.
The vehicle can be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. The PAV (Pre Accident Value) exceeds £2,000 (£1,000 for motorcycles) and the engineer's assessed repair costs exceed the PAV.
Category B
Heavy damage e.g. bent chassis
The vehicle cannot be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs. However, the vehicle contains economically salvageable parts.
Category A
A 'total loss' e.g. burn-out. The only value is the scrap metal.
The vehicle cannot be safely and economically repaired either by the insurer / motor trade or by an enthusiast using cheaper parts and reduced labour costs and there are no economically salvageable parts.
Care of: www.car-crime.com/salvage_category.htm
Howard
So basically a minor prang but because of waiting times to fix TVR's they bought the owner a new one rather than hire them a car for 3-6 months.
Sounds like it's hardly even worth haggling over a cat D write-off. Mind you, it's always worth haggling. Especially if you're the buyer and the other person doesn't know the difference.
Sounds like it's hardly even worth haggling over a cat D write-off. Mind you, it's always worth haggling. Especially if you're the buyer and the other person doesn't know the difference.
Potentially a bargain....
I wripped the nose off my old griff, - cost over £8,000 to sort out,no chassis damage, it was nearly new at the time (so not written off on cost)
It was repaired perfectly and was as good as new - subsequently sold to the same repairing dealer, the crash not affecting the price.
The same sort of damage could easily be a cat D write off on an older car.
Potentially (depending what work and repairs were done) the car could be in a better condition than a similar aged car (lots of new bits - perfect paint job?)
BUT, find out exactly what was done, and by whom, why and when.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 5th December 17:14
I wripped the nose off my old griff, - cost over £8,000 to sort out,no chassis damage, it was nearly new at the time (so not written off on cost)
It was repaired perfectly and was as good as new - subsequently sold to the same repairing dealer, the crash not affecting the price.
The same sort of damage could easily be a cat D write off on an older car.
Potentially (depending what work and repairs were done) the car could be in a better condition than a similar aged car (lots of new bits - perfect paint job?)
BUT, find out exactly what was done, and by whom, why and when.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 5th December 17:14
Dawgie
I have just made the guy an offer on the car, I will not be moving on that price and he intends giving me an answer tomorrow. If he turns me down I will send you his details.
As a few of you have commented, if I can get it at the right price it's certainly worth having as it's in top condition.
I have just made the guy an offer on the car, I will not be moving on that price and he intends giving me an answer tomorrow. If he turns me down I will send you his details.
As a few of you have commented, if I can get it at the right price it's certainly worth having as it's in top condition.
As usual the good old British public lap up the spue that comes out of the media!
Ooooh its written off, it must have been in accident. It will never be safe ever ever again! B*****ks!
Its the ones that have almighty crashes and are only insured third party so it doesn't get recorded, THOSE are the ones people should be worried about because you can't find out what the damage was or how bad, cat C or D? or even A and B? (Insurance companies won't sell A & B cat cars as they are too dangerous) and what kind of repair? Plus you know the cars not stolen because the insurance company has already checked these things out.
How many people have done the HPI checks and got the all clear, and are running around in botch jobs repairs? But wait Johnny Journalist says that as long as its not written off I'm in the all clear.
WAKE UP! (if the last owner couldn't afford fully comp insurance then their not gonna be paying top repairers!)
Remember, stolen/recovered cars and light flood damaged cars have no structural damage.
You might have to sell lower than book but you bought lower than book, so stop being greedy and there will always be people around that want a nice motor but just can't stretch to book price, that have no qualms about buying a cat D write off.
As per usual Johnny Journalist has written his little column when he knows absolutly nothing about the subject.
Me a cynic - Nah!
>> Edited by schueymcfee on Thursday 5th December 21:39
>> Edited by schueymcfee on Thursday 5th December 21:42
Ooooh its written off, it must have been in accident. It will never be safe ever ever again! B*****ks!
Its the ones that have almighty crashes and are only insured third party so it doesn't get recorded, THOSE are the ones people should be worried about because you can't find out what the damage was or how bad, cat C or D? or even A and B? (Insurance companies won't sell A & B cat cars as they are too dangerous) and what kind of repair? Plus you know the cars not stolen because the insurance company has already checked these things out.
How many people have done the HPI checks and got the all clear, and are running around in botch jobs repairs? But wait Johnny Journalist says that as long as its not written off I'm in the all clear.
WAKE UP! (if the last owner couldn't afford fully comp insurance then their not gonna be paying top repairers!) Remember, stolen/recovered cars and light flood damaged cars have no structural damage.
You might have to sell lower than book but you bought lower than book, so stop being greedy
and there will always be people around that want a nice motor but just can't stretch to book price, that have no qualms about buying a cat D write off. As per usual Johnny Journalist has written his little column when he knows absolutly nothing about the subject.
Me a cynic - Nah!
>> Edited by schueymcfee on Thursday 5th December 21:39
>> Edited by schueymcfee on Thursday 5th December 21:42
So what's wrong with a repaired car, as long as it's been done well? You like the car, it checks out in every other respect - and the HPI hiccup gives you the opportunity to get it for less money.
Sounds like your dream just got better, if you ask me. Only god is perfect, and I'm not even religious.
Sounds like your dream just got better, if you ask me. Only god is perfect, and I'm not even religious.
Sorry to hear about your dilema, sounds like a fab car, especially if Rob said so. If the guy wont accept your offer, please can I have his contact number. I've been looking at cars around 15K all would need large sums of money spent on rectifying stone chips, tyres, mechanics, etc. Getting fed up, sounds like this is the car for me, would love to know colour, etc. Sod the HPI.....!!
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