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Dear BXX, If you check under TVR_ Classics, you will find info about THAT DEALER, from Gamekeeper. Also note the remarks concerning the possibility of a 1959 Mk. 2. Further examination will also show that NO RESPONCE was received from myself from Mr. Reid, including the personal e-mail sent to his business(?). Normally I don't lower myself to re-responding to someone elses lack of politeness, but in this case I make an exception!!!!!!!!! By the way Mr. Reid, you could have received a copy of my letter: 2 Jan.1960, from Mr. Bernard C. Williams, to Ray Saidel,Esq.,from Layton Sports Cars Ltd. Subject: How well the 1600's were SELLING, and how they had aquired the services ofJohn Thurner, Technical Designer from Rolls Royce. Shame on you. Let's see if you print this about one of your so called WEB SPONSERS. Sorry for the length, but I had no other outlet, thanks.......
MOTORMAN or MOTORMOUTH????!!!!.I think if you get off your soapbox and look at your posting in Feb of this year I think you will find for all the world to see that I did reply to you quite fully and clearly.As for your letters and emails I have to say I did not receive them but if I had I still would not have further replied since I had said all I had to say on the matter. I will however give you the benefit of the doubt and ask Bernard at the weekend to see his copy of the letter
Dear Gameplayer; Please obtain a magnifier to re-read our postings AGAIN. It appears that you not only don't reply, but you can't read either! There it is, as you so clearly said, for all the world to see, PLEASE send me your MAILING ADDRESS, or whatever you call it, you know, little man with bag, has all the bills inside. Your business site only has phone/telly numbers, not an address. I don't mind being wrong, how else would I learn anything, and my impression of this site was to obtain information about TVR's. I purchased a vehicle, needed info & supplied as much history as possible. Along comes the spyder saying HE knows more about my car than I do. No ****, why do you think I asked for help in the first place? Now if you have so much info on this vehicle, and are REALLY INTO HELPING PEOPLE, why oh why didn't you put this on the internet? I mean, having knowledge of fraud involving a motor vehicle IS A CRIME in my country, I'm not so sure about yours. You are a well known auto expert and restorer, how many of YOUR CUSTOMERS vehicles do you do this with? Don't you think people would question your ideals, knowing you withheld or were a part of something like this? A " MOTORMOUTH " I am, especially when someone says I didn't do something. By the way, you seem to have a negative attitude about car salesmen/dealers in your replys. Maybe you think all dealers are like yourself, withholding info just to make THE SALE..MOTORMOUTH
I am glad to hear that you do not mind being wrong because you are obviously good at it. As for my inabilty to read you have lost me, and in fact it appears to be another of YOUR failings. If you look on my website my Mailing address is there quite clearly for all the world to see. Please look again at the discussion 60's TVR started on Feb 19 by viggen. I pointed out all the facts I know about your car in response for information as requested by yourself. If a fraud has been committed in your country I am very glad to hear that you have mechanisms to deal with it. That fraud has nothing whatsoever to do with me and I resent your implications about me being dishonest in MY dealings. I would like to think that I am perhaps too honest in my dealings as many of my customers will vouchI do not think that I could have been more helpful. If you cannot deal ith the truth then that I am afraid is your problem not mine You are 100% correct in saying I have a negative attitude to car dealers/salesmen but only if they are dishonest, they give people like you the reason to tar us all with the same brush..And my final point in reply to me not knowing more about the car than you do I feel I should point out that I used to own it and can hold up my hands to having inflicted on it some of its wounds before it was solt to America
I quote: Monday 19 Feb. posting from you..... " I have documented evidence from him (French), that car was sold etc., etc. Sounds like someone knows something about an illegal deal/sale or something, AND CAN PROVE IT!!!!!! Now to my feeble way of thinking, IF someone knows something & can prove it, does nothing about it ( looks the other way ), whether it be theft, murder, rape or whatever are they just as suspect as the people committing the crime? Can they be implicated either directlt or indirectly by the omission of knowledge or wrongdoing? I'm not a lawyer, but to my thinking they share some portion of the blame, for refusing to present pertinate information on anything. As for the address I take the blame (see I can be wrong & will admit it ). I presumed that the info was either out of date or wrong when I didn't receive a responce from my e-mail. Some sites do have a nasty habit of disappearing. What a shame and disappointment it is to ask for help, only to end up in a pissing match with someone. I CAN be wrong, have wasted more money than most on broken ( by me ) parts, bad deals, and just general brain farts on my part. Most of us have probably done the same things, thats how we learn, sometimes the hard way. I don't mind learning that way, that's part of life. What is hard, is when I can prove something, and someone either tells me it's wrong, or fake. I CAN PROVE there were 1959 Mk.2's produced, am perfectly willing to share my limited knowledge with anyone, so please don't break my stones when I can. If I had a scanner, I would send all to you, but I don't, so I will forward info to your mailing address, as I have done for others, unless you are tired of listening to me, the choice is yours & you can reply to the forum. Wrong is wrong, right is right-there are no gray area's. MOTORMOUTH.....
Panoz I agree with your thinking, so what about people who have info and decide to withhold it? Suppose you purchased a vehicle, and someone knew it was a fake for MANY years. It happens here (USA) with musclecars, and anything else they can clone. I have California impound vouchers (very hard to obtain let alone forge), receipts for towing and the impound fees for this vehicle. I have also spoken with the Englishman who totally restored this vehicle, AFTER retreiving it from the impound yard. He also is head of one of our vintage certification associations. All this information was supplied to me BEFORE I purchased this vehicle from THAT DEALER in florida. If anyone had this information in their hands, WOULD YOU BUY THIS VEHICLE?????? I did, to the tune of $11,000.00 American. The car is beautifully finished . This is why I personally question any other possible variables, not because I am affraid to admit a mistake, but because they seem unsubstanciated at the present time. Prove it to me!!!! I am not a headhunter, but if this saves one person this B/S then it WAS WORTH IT. MOTORMOUTHMOTORMAN377, and proud of it......
I purchased my 1971 TVR 2500 from Hayes Harris, the owner of the Wire Wheel Calssic Sports Cars. And i have to say that I've never been as happy as i have been with a purchase.
Hayes has consistantly been helpful and provided an accurate descrption of the car in every way before i purchased it.
My car wasn't a beauty, in fact it had sat in a field in the southern UD for nearly 15 years before my purchase. But his price was totally commensurate with the condition when i bought it.
And I would "Highly" recommend him to anyone who asked. It's rare these days to find a person like him.
Hayes has consistantly been helpful and provided an accurate descrption of the car in every way before i purchased it.
My car wasn't a beauty, in fact it had sat in a field in the southern UD for nearly 15 years before my purchase. But his price was totally commensurate with the condition when i bought it.
And I would "Highly" recommend him to anyone who asked. It's rare these days to find a person like him.
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I purchased my 1971 TVR 2500 from Hayes Harris, the owner of the Wire Wheel Calssic Sports Cars. And i have to say that I've never been as happy as i have been with a purchase.
Hayes has consistantly been helpful and provided an accurate descrption of the car in every way before i purchased it.
My car wasn't a beauty, in fact it had sat in a field in the southern UD for nearly 15 years before my purchase. But his price was totally commensurate with the condition when i bought it.
And I would "Highly" recommend him to anyone who asked. It's rare these days to find a person like him.
I agree 100% with this.
I have not personally purchased anything from wirewheel so far, but I've met several people who have and they all have nothing but nice things to say about their dealings. I have been to their showroom/workshop (I only live 10 miles away) and was very impressed by their inventory and attitude which was definitely enthusiast first and business second.
I have no connection with wirewheel, but felt I had to respond to add my 2c/p.
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