RS4 - too expensive ?
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Hi guys,
only posted a couple of times on here before, when we were selling our M3 to buy an Audi Q7. Well my b/f has decided he hates the Q7 and wants to get back into a proper car. He has had a look at Audi RS4's in black and likes them, but thinks they are pretty expensive at £46-£55k. What do you guys think. Are they expensive and will they lose a lot in the next year?? He thinks the interior is also very plain and dull.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
Would appreciate your thoughts and opinions and sorry if some of these questions are really crap and girly. Just being a good g/f and doing some research when he hasn't got time to.
Thanks
only posted a couple of times on here before, when we were selling our M3 to buy an Audi Q7. Well my b/f has decided he hates the Q7 and wants to get back into a proper car. He has had a look at Audi RS4's in black and likes them, but thinks they are pretty expensive at £46-£55k. What do you guys think. Are they expensive and will they lose a lot in the next year?? He thinks the interior is also very plain and dull.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
Would appreciate your thoughts and opinions and sorry if some of these questions are really crap and girly. Just being a good g/f and doing some research when he hasn't got time to.
Thanks
They'll find their own price once geunine used examples start to come onto the market.
At the moment they're desirable and waiting lists are long-ish, so used examples will have a premium so we haven't yet got to that point.
As for whether or not the car is over-priced new, the market seems to say not as they are selling well. I've driven one (my father's) and it is simply awesome.
At the moment they're desirable and waiting lists are long-ish, so used examples will have a premium so we haven't yet got to that point.
As for whether or not the car is over-priced new, the market seems to say not as they are selling well. I've driven one (my father's) and it is simply awesome.
bmwluc said:
He has had a look at Audi RS4's in black and likes them, but thinks they are pretty expensive at £46-£55k. What do you guys think. Are they expensive and will they lose a lot in the next year?? He thinks the interior is also very plain and dull.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
can't imagine my wife ever saying to me "I'll take a look on PH and let you know" so good on you.
I have a week-old black RS4 saloon and it is utterly fantastic IMO. Plan A was to buy a 996TT or 997 C2S but realistically they were not practical enough with my young daughter.
Assuming you are talking saloon the only cars that would be £55k are brand new and very very high spec given DVD satanv is now only a £500 option. A brand new saloon is £51k, satnav is the only must-have option but a few recommended additions take it to £53k and you could probably got a small discount.
Depreciation depends on the resolution of your crystal ball. The new M3 may impact slightly but a coupe is not a direct competitor of a saloon/avant. I have driven a 335i and was rather underwhelmed, the M3 will be a different beast but still not the same practicality for kids and the RS cars have a certain cache IMO. I reckon my car will lose £7k year 1 and £5k in year 2 and 3 from what I paid leaving it at approx £35k after 3 years (my car is high spec and will only have done 15k miles in that time). Pretty good for a £50k premium car IMO.
Interior? Odd opinion but we all not what opinions are like! Interior is beautifully built and with that RS4 wheel, RS4 bucket seats and satnav I think it looks great.
The competitors you mention are all great cars, the following is just my humble opinion:
M5 - more expensive, worse depreciator due to BMW rwarranty costs
M6 - horrendous depreciation but good 2nd hand choice
New M3 - and you say the RS4 is too much. you are too late and will have to pay a premium
997 Porsche - unfair comparison, now can be had for £50k but for a 2 year old car, low depreciation
996 4S Porsche - as above but cheaper, great looking but RS4 is faster, low depreciation
If you do not need rear seats I do not understand why you are looking at Q7 (a bus), or RS4 and I would get a 996TT gfor £50k. If you do need them I do not understand why you are looking at 911s unless this is a second car.
Can't comment further without knowing you car requirements.
victormeldrew said:
Looking at the RS4 or an S8 as my next car - 20k budget.
At £20k we're talking about different RS4s. For that money you're talking about the previous-generation 2.7L twin-turbo V6 which, whilst a brilliant car in isolation, isn't in the same league as the current naturally-aspirated V8 car.
JonRB said:
victormeldrew said:
Looking at the RS4 or an S8 as my next car - 20k budget.
At £20k we're talking about different RS4s. For that money you're talking about the previous-generation 2.7L twin-turbo V6 which, whilst a brilliant car in isolation, isn't in the same league as the current naturally-aspirated V8 car.
They're all Audi's though, right? 
I don't think the RS4 is too expensive. When you consider the performance and handling package you are getting for the money, you could easily pay another 10 Grand for similar in the other German marques. Remember the RS4 has Porsche-like driving characteristics, and is pretty much as well made.
Adam B said:
bmwluc said:
He has had a look at Audi RS4's in black and likes them, but thinks they are pretty expensive at £46-£55k. What do you guys think. Are they expensive and will they lose a lot in the next year?? He thinks the interior is also very plain and dull.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
Other options would be M5, M6 New M3, 997 Porsche or 996 4S Porsche.
can't imagine my wife ever saying to me "I'll take a look on PH and let you know" so good on you.
I have a week-old black RS4 saloon and it is utterly fantastic IMO. Plan A was to buy a 996TT or 997 C2S but realistically they were not practical enough with my young daughter.
Assuming you are talking saloon the only cars that would be £55k are brand new and very very high spec given DVD satanv is now only a £500 option. A brand new saloon is £51k, satnav is the only must-have option but a few recommended additions take it to £53k and you could probably got a small discount.
Depreciation depends on the resolution of your crystal ball. The new M3 may impact slightly but a coupe is not a direct competitor of a saloon/avant. I have driven a 335i and was rather underwhelmed, the M3 will be a different beast but still not the same practicality for kids and the RS cars have a certain cache IMO. I reckon my car will lose £7k year 1 and £5k in year 2 and 3 from what I paid leaving it at approx £35k after 3 years (my car is high spec and will only have done 15k miles in that time). Pretty good for a £50k premium car IMO.
Interior? Odd opinion but we all not what opinions are like! Interior is beautifully built and with that RS4 wheel, RS4 bucket seats and satnav I think it looks great.
The competitors you mention are all great cars, the following is just my humble opinion:
M5 - more expensive, worse depreciator due to BMW rwarranty costs
M6 - horrendous depreciation but good 2nd hand choice
New M3 - and you say the RS4 is too much. you are too late and will have to pay a premium
997 Porsche - unfair comparison, now can be had for £50k but for a 2 year old car, low depreciation
996 4S Porsche - as above but cheaper, great looking but RS4 is faster, low depreciation
If you do not need rear seats I do not understand why you are looking at Q7 (a bus), or RS4 and I would get a 996TT gfor £50k. If you do need them I do not understand why you are looking at 911s unless this is a second car.
Can't comment further without knowing you car requirements.
To be honest, im do like cars but not as much as he does and im trying to learn more about them. So coming on here and getting your opinions educates me and when he finally gets home i can spout a few things that gets a puzzled look on his face !!!!
He has a couple of 2 seater toys he uses at the weekend and track days. The idea behind the Q7 is that we could use it fo everything. Trips to France, trips to see both sets of parents - he often drives to ski resorts and also wakeboards so has a lot of stuff to get in, plus if we wanted some friends to come with us, the Q7 was perfect. He just cannot get on with driving what he calles 'a truck', especially when most of it is in London and parking the thing is a pain in the bum, trust me.
He has talked about M5's and RS4's and i think an older RS6. Am i right in thinking the Audi's come in an estate form as well as a saloon. Im not sure which one he is looking at.
Thanks for all the comments guys and helping a poor little lady out !!!!
RS4 is by no means expensive for what you get, its an excellent car with plenty of kit. Its competitive for the market its in.
Yes you can get the RS6 and the RS4 in estate forms, my dad had an RS6 and now has an RS4, they are both fantastic cars but completely different animals.
But bland interior, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion at all. I don't think he'd be disappointed with an RS4 at all or an RS6.
Yes you can get the RS6 and the RS4 in estate forms, my dad had an RS6 and now has an RS4, they are both fantastic cars but completely different animals.
But bland interior, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion at all. I don't think he'd be disappointed with an RS4 at all or an RS6.
The RS6 is definitely the lazy cruiser of the two - although still devastatingly fast, mind. It has an auto box and is less driver focussed, I'd say (from an opinion based entirely on hearsay and car magazines, I will freely admit).
The RS4 is the newer car and is much more driver-focussed. It is the only Audi since the original Quattro where the car journalists haven't slated it for numb, lifeless steering. In fact, it has been roundly praised for its steering and driver involvement.
Based on that, I'd say the RS4 Avant* is a cracking all-round car and if I could afford one I'd have it in a flash. Well, if I could afford it and also if my wife would sell her BMW 330i SE Sport Touring* which is what we currently have as our FFT (Fast Family Transport). She loves it and I have to grudgingly admit it is very good for what it is and a bargain for what it cost. But I digress.
(* - Avant is what Audi call their estates, Touring is what BMW call their estates)
The RS4 is the newer car and is much more driver-focussed. It is the only Audi since the original Quattro where the car journalists haven't slated it for numb, lifeless steering. In fact, it has been roundly praised for its steering and driver involvement.
Based on that, I'd say the RS4 Avant* is a cracking all-round car and if I could afford one I'd have it in a flash. Well, if I could afford it and also if my wife would sell her BMW 330i SE Sport Touring* which is what we currently have as our FFT (Fast Family Transport). She loves it and I have to grudgingly admit it is very good for what it is and a bargain for what it cost. But I digress.
(* - Avant is what Audi call their estates, Touring is what BMW call their estates)
Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 3rd April 19:56
I had one of the first Rs4's in the country and I can honestly saw it was worth every penny I paid for it. I seriosuly do not know what I would replace it with. Infact I do.... The avant as I only have the saloon! It is such an awesome bit of kit and by no means overpriced in my own mind. I didnt really think about depreciation as i am of the kind that spends too much and wastes to much money on cars, but it is my one vice in life and as long as I have had fun and enjoyed the car I see it a worthy penalty!
If he is after a drivers car with some fun, serious power and something a bit different then the RS4 would be up his street! I would also recommend an RS6 or possibly an S4. Had an S4 before the RS and that was a lovely car too. 40k miles in 2 years and it didnt miss a beat!
If he is after a drivers car with some fun, serious power and something a bit different then the RS4 would be up his street! I would also recommend an RS6 or possibly an S4. Had an S4 before the RS and that was a lovely car too. 40k miles in 2 years and it didnt miss a beat!
Hi guys. Well everything is sorted. He went down to the Audi dealership this morning and sold the Q7 and ordered a new car at the same time.
We got exactly what we paid for the Q7 back to a gentleman who had walked in the door while my b/f was there, which is great. It did only have 1500 miles on the clock. So that was a result and while he was there he has ordered an Audi S5 . Sounds good ?
Again thanks for all the comments everyone,
We got exactly what we paid for the Q7 back to a gentleman who had walked in the door while my b/f was there, which is great. It did only have 1500 miles on the clock. So that was a result and while he was there he has ordered an Audi S5 . Sounds good ?
Again thanks for all the comments everyone,
New RS4 is very exspensive especially when compared to how little the last one (my one) was, how much more exclusive it was and how much body modification the old one had (hand welded floor pan etc) and it still cost only a few grand more than the S4 at the time.
However there is no competition for it so they can pretty much charge what they want.
The massivly improved driving dynamics are a huge boost and hopefully it wont have the special bendy safety wheels the last one had
However there is no competition for it so they can pretty much charge what they want.
The massivly improved driving dynamics are a huge boost and hopefully it wont have the special bendy safety wheels the last one had
bmwluc said:
So that was a result and while he was there he has ordered an Audi S5 . Sounds good ?
...I think the S5 is basically an S4 coupe, so not in the same league as an RS4 performance-wise, but it's a nice car none-the-less! Though I'm not sure how it replaces the load-lugging ability of a Q7?
dave_hedgehog said:
However there is no competition for it so they can pretty much charge what they want.
They did time it nicely so that RS4 production stops just before the new M3 is out. Nearly new M3, older M5 and AMG Mercs compete. I even considered a Cayenne turbo
S5 i am sure will be a nice car but I found the looks elegant rather than sporty. Cheaper and slower than RS4. If they make an RS5 that might be an exciting M3 competitor.
Edited by Adam B on Thursday 5th April 13:53
Audi must be very pleased with the new M3. I mean the RS4 has been driving around a good while now with its 420hp naturally aspired high revving V8 and along comes BMW and announce a car with a 420hp naturally aspired high revving V8.
If the M3 came along for the same money and blew the RS4 away with it's figures then maybe the RS4 would take a hit but I don't see that happening. IMO the RS4 is a far better looking car and the interior wipes the floor with the BMW going by the recent pics. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it drives.
If the M3 came along for the same money and blew the RS4 away with it's figures then maybe the RS4 would take a hit but I don't see that happening. IMO the RS4 is a far better looking car and the interior wipes the floor with the BMW going by the recent pics. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it drives.
obes said:
Are they doing a CSL in the new one ? might be a different story that 
from what I have read there won't be a CSL as the new car is full of carbon fibre already including the roof, and if they are planning on launching an M3 family with Coupe, Cabrio, Saloon, and Touring variants a pure performance variant may not be required.
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