R8 --- V8 or V10 ?

[chrisw.]

£80k or £100k, which would you choose ?

[targarama]

I'd wait 6 months and pick up the £100k car for £80k. I suspect the market won't treat a £100k very kindly. If you're buying to speculate then I guess the £80k is the best bet. Move it on quickly though.

Note: I do hope its a brilliant car.

[che6mw]

Agree with targarama. It looks a truly lovely car but I can't see how it can compete on an even pricing level with the Gallardo so I reckon even with exclusivity it'll depreciate horrendously. Get a bargain in a year!

[ChrisW.]

Will either depreciate as much as RS4's ?

[4WD]

Not initially I wouldn't have thought. Give it enough time and there will be a few around I'm sure. I think Gallardo's will drop more when their owners move to the new car.

[ianrudge]

Where did you get the prices - or is that a guesstimate?

Would I move my deposit to the V10 - at £20k then no but £10k I might.

[ec2]

The £80k ish V8 is released next June and there is a long order book. How much of this will move to the V10 (due when?)is unclear but the V8 is plenty fast enough for me. I'd be more interested in when the convertible is coming out instead.

[audijohn]

I wonder how much "Hype" there is with the order book?, Bit like the RS4 me thinks, order book full, 60 secondhand ones aready on the market, all pre-reg unsold's.

[ec2]

The trouble with the RS4 was how many demo cars were registered. Audi should have restricted this as most punters would happily buy in the first six months or so without a drive.

[mikeyboy]

audijohn said:

I wonder how much "Hype" there is with the order book?, Bit like the RS4 me thinks, order book full, 60 secondhand ones aready on the market, all pre-reg unsold's.

and still roughly list, after 15 months, so your point?

[GreenMan]

I've heard somewhere that only 500 V8s are being produced in the first year (not sure if that's a UK or a worldwide figure)...surely that will help support values, at least for a year or so?

[ec2]

mikeyboy said:

audijohn said:

I wonder how much "Hype" there is with the order book?, Bit like the RS4 me thinks, order book full, 60 secondhand ones aready on the market, all pre-reg unsold's.

and still roughly list, after 15 months, so your point?

RS4 saloons are retailing at £5-6k under list incl essential options. If you had bought one in March for £53k it would now trade for an £8-10k loss. Everything loses money. Compared with an S6 or S8 that is amazing but its still a lot of £.

[mikeyboy]

Point one:By retailing I presume you mean you know that people have sold them for 45k rather than for 48k which is the cheapest I've ever seen one for sale on either Audi's site or at a specialists.
Point two: if dealers had so many pre-registered examples how was it so hard to find one to test drive?
point three: speculators probably ordered the majority of these vehicles currently in the network, dealers tend not to drive there cars for 8k miles plus at a time.

I really don't know why people on this site keep talking about the depreciation of the new RS4 when the evidence of it being a poor holder of value is simply not there.
If that is the case then a 997S of 18 months old is even worse value losing over 20k in only 6 months more. and considering options on a Porsche will push it beyond 80k easily?

Now don't get me wrong. I know I'm going to lose money on this car. We all lose money on our cars but I can't help thinking in this case there's some odd decision being taken by people to talk down Audi's prices.
So why do you feel the need to do that?

[ec2]

mikeyboy said:

Point one:By retailing I presume you mean you know that people have sold them for 45k rather than for 48k which is the cheapest I've ever seen one for sale on either Audi's site or at a specialists.
Point two: if dealers had so many pre-registered examples how was it so hard to find one to test drive?
point three: speculators probably ordered the majority of these vehicles currently in the network, dealers tend not to drive there cars for 8k miles plus at a time.

I really don't know why people on this site keep talking about the depreciation of the new RS4 when the evidence of it being a poor holder of value is simply not there.
If that is the case then a 997S of 18 months old is even worse value losing over 20k in only 6 months more. and considering options on a Porsche will push it beyond 80k easily?

Now don't get me wrong. I know I'm going to lose money on this car. We all lose money on our cars but I can't help thinking in this case there's some odd decision being taken by people to talk down Audi's prices.
So why do you feel the need to do that?

1) We are saying the same thing. However, I have never got less than a £2k discount on any 2nd hand car I have bought for over £35k so I would hope to pick up an RS4 for £46k from a dealer with a bit of work; and
2) There's loads for sale - no probs getting a test drive.

I completely agree on 997s. Any car loses loads and the RS4 is losing less than many but its a very different story to the B5 RS4.

[mikeyboy]

OK ec2 point taken especially when compared to the B5 but in some ways I still feel the amount of postings about depreciation is getting tired and mostly incorrect.
And It was turning into a hijack anyway.

I personally think the v10 will be a poor place to put your money as it'll be too close to serious exotica without the extra performance or prestige.
The rarity of the v8 compared to the similarly priced but more mass produced 911 means, imho, that the lower priced one will retain its value better and because of my previous point about the 997s I think after three years the R8 may hold more value than its equivalent priced porsche. It'll still be painful though.

[4WD]

But would you prefer a low miler manual gallardo for alot less? Tough one for those in the position to do so

[ec2]

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that the R8 is going to be a duffer and I may pull my order. My feeling is entirely due to price; £85-90k for a nice spec V8 is too much. Shame!

Audi seem to be losing the plot on pricing their fast cars - look at the S6 and S8...and even the RS4, esp the cab (sorry). Drop down to the S4 and TT and prices are ok but at the upper end they are overcooked. The thing that really shocked me on the R8 was the basic standard spec.

Edited by ec2 on Thursday 30th November 16:27

[Robbo66]

Audi's tend to be a nightmare when it comes to residuals. Having just sold a 9 month old 2.0 FSI Cab for £24K from £32K, I can vouch for it.

Re the RS4's, dealers aren't shifting these, with way too many on forecourt and cancelled orders. I was interested in an Avant, but having looked at the market I seriously believe these cars to be something of a 'white elephant' for Audi.

Dealers ringing and trying to get me into one.

RS4 is a superb car but over short term there can be pretty much no worse place to put your money. All cars depreciate, but I think we're in for a shocker where RS4's are concerned.

[pentoman]

How can the new RS4 be so much worse than the old one? Because those seem to hold value very well for a big engined German.

[audijohn]

mikeyboy said:

audijohn said:

I wonder how much "Hype" there is with the order book?, Bit like the RS4 me thinks, order book full, 60 secondhand ones aready on the market, all pre-reg unsold's.

and still roughly list, after 15 months, so your point?

I dont know where you've been looking but I can get a 10K dicount on them.
£45.5K fully loaded.

Edited by audijohn on Monday 4th December 15:26