Uprated brake options for S4?

[road angel a]

Has anyone got any suggestions/experience to improve S4 brakes. A lap of the ring currently results in smoking soggy brakes...

xx

[Fortjefferson]

10 miles of hard driving do it to mine.

PS have you had your brake fluid changed yet??

Edited by Fortjefferson on Monday 13th November 14:37

[Road Angel A]

Fortjefferson said:

10 miles of hard driving do it to mine.

PS have you had your brake fluid changed yet??

Edited by Fortjefferson on Monday 13th November 14:37

10 miles of hard driving - yes !! It seems to be failing about 1/2 way round the ring, quite scarey as you can imagine..."oh dear, I have no brakes" at each and every corner and you suddenly seem to forget that once you're on a straight again!!

I did get the brake fluid changed at the last service, but it might need it again now...

Im wondering to go for some nice vented discs and similar peripherals? Have you thought about doing this, it means one can drive faster and get the most out of the power one has?

[Fortjefferson]

When I have the funds, I will upgrade the brakes.(I had a massive heart attack 3 weeks ago, so I'm watching the pennies) In the mean time I find that, after I've cooked the brakes, it also boils the fluid, and a change of fluid makes a lot of difference. I get it done at my local VW dealer for £48. John

[daz9100]

Amd do a RS4 brake conversion for the S4 - not cheap though

http://amdtechnik.com/product.details



I believe that other tuners such as APS are also offering the same upgrade.

[road angel a]

OOH

MMM...not sure about that though. If I had the RS4, i'd probably ditch those too and go for something more track orientated. Even the RS4 brakes are going to be spongey after The Ring! ;-) I should give AMD a call though...

[philip walker]

daz9100 said:

Amd do a RS4 brake conversion for the S4 - not cheap though

http://amdtechnik.com/product.details



I believe that other tuners such as APS are also offering the same upgrade.

You can get all the parts you need and fitted for a lot less than that. IRO £1200/£1300 depends where you look and who you ask!

[road angel a]

Who should I ask for a better quote?

Maybe its cheaper in Germany?

I wonder how long it takes to fit, couldn't be more that long, just a few nuts n bolts surely

[mel]

Road Angel A said:

Fortjefferson said:

10 miles of hard driving do it to mine.

PS have you had your brake fluid changed yet??

Edited by Fortjefferson on Monday 13th November 14:37

10 miles of hard driving - yes !! It seems to be failing about 1/2 way round the ring, quite scarey as you can imagine..."oh dear, I have no brakes" at each and every corner and you suddenly seem to forget that once you're on a straight again!!

I did get the brake fluid changed at the last service, but it might need it again now...

Im wondering to go for some nice vented discs and similar peripherals? Have you thought about doing this, it means one can drive faster and get the most out of the power one has?

Is this a common problem then ? I had it for the first time yesterday I came off a motorway slip road doing err more than twice what I should have been braked hard down to next to nothing for a roundabout then another 3 roundabouts of spirited driving before the "brake" warnings flashed on the dashboard, they then stopped flashing but the pedal fealt a little spongey so I eased off a bit, then came the big one slow for another roundabout pedal flat to the floor, no feeling and smoke billows from front drivers side combined with horrible brake smell, slowed right down and adopted nun mode and everything appeared to go back to normal (ish) it stops ok but still feels a bit spongey and I haven't had the confidence to push it hard again yet. Have rung the dealer and booked it in but I suspect it's either boiled fluid and a fresh batch should be ok or possibly a small hole in a line somewhere ??? either way I really don't feel that they should have gone off that quickly and it's very un audi like, normally I would expect a car made to do 150+ to do it and stop a fair few more times than it did before going fubar.

[agent006]

road angel a said:

Who should I ask for a better quote?

Dialynx estiamted a parts cost of £750 for porsche cayenne turbo calipers, merc cl600 disks and cusom mounts for my (albeit older) s4 last year.

Personally i'd uprate the cheap stuff like fluid and pads before junking the whole lot.

[pmanson]

Fortjefferson said:

(I had a massive heart attack 3 weeks ago, so I'm watching the pennies)

Best of luck for the recovery!

I've watched my Dad have 3 heart attacks (one aged 49 and two aged 56, followed by a double heart bypass op!)- its not nice for us watching let alone you the poor sod who is experiencing it!

Relaxation and moderate exercise is the way forward!


Best Wishes,

Phill

[Fort Jefferson]

pmanson said:

Fortjefferson said:

(I had a massive heart attack 3 weeks ago, so I'm watching the pennies)

Best of luck for the recovery!

I've watched my Dad have 3 heart attacks (one aged 49 and two aged 56, followed by a double heart bypass op!)- its not nice for us watching let alone you the poor sod who is experiencing it!

Relaxation and moderate exercise is the way forward!


Best Wishes,

Phill

Hi Phill, thanks for your thoughts. I'm not doing too bad with my recovery, but I've got to go for an angiogram in January just to make sure I don't have another. I've been walking quite a lot to build myself up and I've driven a few times, but only with someone with me. Still, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. John

[pmanson]

Fort Jefferson said:

pmanson said:

Fortjefferson said:

(I had a massive heart attack 3 weeks ago, so I'm watching the pennies)

Best of luck for the recovery!

I've watched my Dad have 3 heart attacks (one aged 49 and two aged 56, followed by a double heart bypass op!)- its not nice for us watching let alone you the poor sod who is experiencing it!

Relaxation and moderate exercise is the way forward!


Best Wishes,

Phill

Hi Phill, thanks for your thoughts. I'm not doing too bad with my recovery, but I've got to go for an angiogram in January just to make sure I don't have another. I've been walking quite a lot to build myself up and I've driven a few times, but only with someone with me. Still, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. John

Don't worry too much about the angiogram i'm sure you'll do better than my Dad..... he started going downhill in the Summer of 2003, so much so that he to keep taking his angina spray (which he hadn't had to use since his first heart attack!) He had a test done in Sept 04 and they said he needed to have an angiogram......

It was either a 12 month wait or pay to go private and been seen in 4 weeks.. Needless to say he paid to go private and was told he needed a triple or quad heart bypass.

Now the wait for the op was going to be 3 months whether he went private or NHS (Couldn't afford private obviously!) so he got himself ready for an op just before Christmas 2003. In the end that didn't happen and he was told January 2004.

To cut a long story short they took him off the aspirin he was taking 2 weeks before the op, then cancelled the op, due to coming off the aspirin he had a heart attack! They then cancelled the 2nd date for the op! They then cancelled the 3rd date (when he was fit, well and ready for it!). He had his 3rd heart attack after this cancellation, so they kept him in Stoke Mandeville and told him they wouldn't let him home until he'd had the op. 11 days later he was transferred to London for the op only for them to cancel it! We kicked up such a fuss that they operated 2 days later.

It has made such a difference to him (that and getting made redundant). It was surprising how down hill he'd gone.... we hadn't noticed as we were around him so much but looking back at him you can tell how ill he was. He ended up having a double bypass.... the top artery that keeps you alive was 82% blocked (or around that figure).

Again I hope it all goes well for you, keep yourself active as i'm sure that will help your recovery time!

Best wishes,

Phill

[clived]

Rathr than fit the RS4 caliper, try the RS6 item - I've just fitted them to my B5 RS4 (well, APS did - and a fine job too, recommended).

[philip walker]

clived said:

Rathr than fit the RS4 caliper, try the RS6 item - I've just fitted them to my B5 RS4 (well, APS did - and a fine job too, recommended).

Its the same item??

[neil_cardiff]

mel said:

Road Angel A said:

Fortjefferson said:

10 miles of hard driving do it to mine.

PS have you had your brake fluid changed yet??

Edited by Fortjefferson on Monday 13th November 14:37

10 miles of hard driving - yes !! It seems to be failing about 1/2 way round the ring, quite scarey as you can imagine..."oh dear, I have no brakes" at each and every corner and you suddenly seem to forget that once you're on a straight again!!

I did get the brake fluid changed at the last service, but it might need it again now...

Im wondering to go for some nice vented discs and similar peripherals? Have you thought about doing this, it means one can drive faster and get the most out of the power one has?

Is this a common problem then ? I had it for the first time yesterday I came off a motorway slip road doing err more than twice what I should have been braked hard down to next to nothing for a roundabout then another 3 roundabouts of spirited driving before the "brake" warnings flashed on the dashboard, they then stopped flashing but the pedal fealt a little spongey so I eased off a bit, then came the big one slow for another roundabout pedal flat to the floor, no feeling and smoke billows from front drivers side combined with horrible brake smell, slowed right down and adopted nun mode and everything appeared to go back to normal (ish) it stops ok but still feels a bit spongey and I haven't had the confidence to push it hard again yet. Have rung the dealer and booked it in but I suspect it's either boiled fluid and a fresh batch should be ok or possibly a small hole in a line somewhere ??? either way I really don't feel that they should have gone off that quickly and it's very un audi like, normally I would expect a car made to do 150+ to do it and stop a fair few more times than it did before going fubar.

should have brought that R32 instead

Edited by neil_cardiff on Wednesday 13th December 08:33

[clived]

philip walker said:

clived said:

Rathr than fit the RS4 caliper, try the RS6 item - I've just fitted them to my B5 RS4 (well, APS did - and a fine job too, recommended).

Its the same item??

Not sure why, but I didn't think they were indentical - but if you're saying you know for sure, I'm not about to argue :-)

[daz9100]

I believe that they are nearly the same, the only difference being where the brake line is connected on the RS6 caliper which is a better location for retrofitting to an S4.

Here's a post from someone who's had theirs done.

[url]www.tyresmoke.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1015531/an/0/page/0#1015531[/url]

[road angel a]

mel said:

Road Angel A said:

Fortjefferson said:

10 miles of hard driving do it to mine.

PS have you had your brake fluid changed yet??

Edited by Fortjefferson on Monday 13th November 14:37

10 miles of hard driving - yes !! It seems to be failing about 1/2 way round the ring, quite scarey as you can imagine..."oh dear, I have no brakes" at each and every corner and you suddenly seem to forget that once you're on a straight again!!

I did get the brake fluid changed at the last service, but it might need it again now...

Im wondering to go for some nice vented discs and similar peripherals? Have you thought about doing this, it means one can drive faster and get the most out of the power one has?

Is this a common problem then ? I had it for the first time yesterday I came off a motorway slip road doing err more than twice what I should have been braked hard down to next to nothing for a roundabout then another 3 roundabouts of spirited driving before the "brake" warnings flashed on the dashboard, they then stopped flashing but the pedal fealt a little spongey so I eased off a bit, then came the big one slow for another roundabout pedal flat to the floor, no feeling and smoke billows from front drivers side combined with horrible brake smell, slowed right down and adopted nun mode and everything appeared to go back to normal (ish) it stops ok but still feels a bit spongey and I haven't had the confidence to push it hard again yet. Have rung the dealer and booked it in but I suspect it's either boiled fluid and a fresh batch should be ok or possibly a small hole in a line somewhere ??? either way I really don't feel that they should have gone off that quickly and it's very un audi like, normally I would expect a car made to do 150+ to do it and stop a fair few more times than it did before going fubar.

You're very naughty! Or is it just these Audi's that make us drive like this

My brake lights have flashed on and off a few times before in some road situations, but they have never done that when on the track. I notice they flash on and off occasionally when hard accelerating in the wet. I don't think its related to the spongeyness of the brakes. You're right though it doesn't take much to get them spongey...

[Fort Jefferson]

road angel a said:

I notice they flash on and off occasionally when hard accelerating in the wet.

That's the ESP warning light,not the brake's.