VAG 1.5TSI DSG issues

[nav456]

Hi so i have a 1.5tsi vw touran 7 seater.

What i have noticed is when i have a full load. 5-7 adults and i am at a junction. When i go to pull away i feel a sort of geaebox wheelspin sort of sensation..or in a manual it would be like a flywheel spin for about a second then it goes.

Once i am away the gear changes etc are fine.

Anybody know what this could be? I only notice it when i have a full load. The car accelerates fine etc. No errors etc

[TooLateForAName]

car age? miles?
gearbox been serviced? when?
Is this the wet clutch or dry clutch dsg?

[Whataguy]

Maybe normal.

DSGs aren’t like normal autos, the ones I’ve driven are more like manuals when pulling away - it’ revs up a bit and slips the clutch until you are away and then gear changes are quick.

It’s different to a normal auto that pulls from idle without the initial rev/slip to get going.

Perhaps it’s more noticeable when you are fully loaded.

[nav456]

2020
27k
Full dealer seeviced never missed
1.5tsi DSG. I do not know if its wet or dry type

[nav456]

Whataguy said:

Maybe normal.

DSGs aren’t like normal autos, the ones I’ve driven are more like manuals when pulling away - it’ revs up a bit and slips the clutch until you are away and then gear changes are quick.

It’s different to a normal auto that pulls from idle without the initial rev/slip to get going.

Perhaps it’s more noticeable when you are fully loaded.

Ah so is this normal? Never noticed in with the same engine in my seat ateca. But never had full load in that car tbh.

[Patch1875]

Patch1875 said:

I had an Octavia 1.6D with the 7 speed DQ200 box which may be the same. Had a noise pulling awaya bit like clutch slip(worse on a hill) mechanic said it needed clutch pack replaced although mileage was higher at 80k.

[nav456]

Well i hope it aint that at such low mileage. Considering esp it is never driven hard

[Sheepshanks]

nav456 said:

2020
27k
Full dealer seeviced never missed
1.5tsi DSG. I do not know if its wet or dry type

It’s the DQ200 dry clutch box. Doesn’t have a service interval.

The usual complaint about these is how sharp the take-up is so it’s hard not to spin the tyres if you do a quick start from a wet junction etc. I can’t recall seeing talk of a delay.

As you’re getting it dealer serviced then suggest you look at the ‘All In’ package - basically gives you extended warranty free. So if it does fail you should be covered.

[Sheepshanks]

Whataguy said:

Maybe normal.

DSGs aren’t like normal autos, the ones I’ve driven are more like manuals when pulling away - it’ revs up a bit and slips the clutch until you are away and then gear changes are quick.

It’s different to a normal auto that pulls from idle without the initial rev/slip to get going.

Perhaps it’s more noticeable when you are fully loaded.

We have both and they feel just the same in normal use, although I’ve never driven either heavily loaded and 7 adults is quite a lot of weight - if it was 7 decent size blokes you’d be nudging the max payload.

DSG will pull from idle. I do think the auto hold can confuse it, especially if the electric ‘hand’ brake is on - some don’t release quickly. We turn all that stuff off - it’s not needed in an auto.

[nav456]

So did a bit of testing with load. Seems to be more apparent when on a slight hill. Defo is not wheel spin. I am aware of the horrible wheel spin on take off and have learnt to be gentle with the throttle on take off.

I will try drive without the autohold on see if it makes a diff. I never feel it when its just 2-3 ppl in the car. So defo something happening when the car has 7 adults in it so a heavy load.

[Sheepshanks]

nav456 said:

Seems to be more apparent when on a slight hill.

It hard to get a straight answer on all these VW ‘assist’ systems and how they interact with each other, but it may be that Hill Hold is coming into play there.

I’ve seen some suggestions that it’s only on manuals now but wife’s 22 Karoq 1.5 DSG seems to have it, but maybe it’s only working because we don’t use auto hold? Hill Hold holds the car for a couple of seconds after releasing the brake if it detects you’re on a slope.

[Glosphil]

I have a 2018 Leon 1.4TSi (150) with DSG 7-gear dry clutch. The car has Electronic Handbrake (EHB) & AutoHold (AH).

Once the car is moving AH applies all 4 brakes every time the car comes to a stop & auto releases when the car moves. EHB (rear brakes only) is only applied when the car is stopped & ignition switched off.

If EHB applied then red brake symbol in instrument cluster. If AH applied then green symbol shown.

I have left both systems active for the 4-1/2 years I've owned the car & never seen the behaviour described by the OP. However, AH does make a smooth getaway more difficult as it doesn't always release fast enough, in my opinion, resulting in a slight jerk (not wheel spin). .

[nav456]

Yh this is defo not a jerk..feels more like a clutch flywheel sort of wheelspin. I will get ir checked out by the dealers next it is in.

I am looking to sell it back to them in summer so will mention it to them then too

[ninjag]

I have found that letting the car edge forward for a second before planting my foot helps. Could be some sort of clutch protection thing when moving off from standstill either fast or under load.

[nav456]

ninjag said:

I have found that letting the car edge forward for a second before planting my foot helps. Could be some sort of clutch protection thing when moving off from standstill either fast or under load.

I have tried this over past 2 days and yes this does defo help. So if we dont do this are we causing some sort of damage to the gearbox or clutch on the DSG. As i suspect once car hits 60-70k whatever has been slipping all them miles will be causing some damage..unless it is just the character of the dsg system.

Slightly worried as i was going to go for the same 1.5tsi dsg setup in seat tarraco next. Now i am thinking twice. As the next vehicle i was looking to keep for a number of years.

[Dr G]

You could have a specialist carry out base gearbox adaptations on it (a factory reset if you like) and see if this alters or improves its behaviour?

[nav456]

So i drove with the auto hold off..and the problem did not appear. Pulling away is smooth etc so i think this problem is to do with the auto hold.

[ninjag]

nav456 said:

So i drove with the auto hold off..and the problem did not appear. Pulling away is smooth etc so i think this problem is to do with the auto hold.

I completely missed all the auto-hold stuff above! lol Yeah, the auto hold just add a delay with mine as well, presumably because it is finding the correct bite point or force first.

[nav456]

Im going to see a 2.0 tsi taracco soon. Will see if that does it too on the test drive. My seat ateca with the same 1.5tsi engine and dry gearbox did not do it which i had before this touran.

[ClareHG]

Yes! I have the same engine in a Tiguan allspace.

Damp roads, slight incline, fast moving roundabouts all cause the car to wheelspin. Sometimes we get burning rubber smell, sometimes the ABS kicks in which slows the car even more and makes for an awful experience when traffic is coming at you!

Car has been into my local VW garage twice but of course they find nothing.

It's coming up for a year old and I can't wait to get rid of it. I chose this as Ford have stopped making the S-Max which was an awesome 7 seater and have been generally unimpressed.