VW E-Up Lane Keep Assist - Arrrrgh!

[Gad-Westy]

We have a 22 plate E-up. It has lane keep assist. It spends most of its life on rural roads, single lane in places. Lane Keep Assist varies from being annoying to out and out dangerous. I always try to remember to turn it off whenever I use the car but sometimes I forget. The last straw was driving the kids home from school last night, I was slowly approaching a t junction, starting to look left right over the dry stone walls as we approach when suddenly the wheel is almost snatched from my hand to steer us hard into the verge. No idea what had fooled it this time and that was probably the most extreme example of sketchiness from it but I've had enough. So how do I get this to default to off and what app hardware am I going to need? I have Carista and a Carista dongle but unfortunately Carista's customisations don't include this. But maybe I can use the dongle with another app?

I must admit, I'd also love to stop the CC system defaulting to 22 deg C every time the car is started. Why can it not remember the last temperature like every other CC equipped car I've ever been in? And if it can't why 22 deg C? Seems weirdly high.

[descentia]

Lane assist is a solution to a problem that didn't exist

[CoolHands]

Possible you could reduce the sensitivity using obd11 app or similar. You will have to google it etc

[Gad-Westy]

CoolHands said:

Possible you could reduce the sensitivity using obd11 app or similar. You will have to google it etc

OBD11 comes up a lot. I must admit I'm reluctant to fork out yet more money on a dongle and app after (incorrectly) believing that Carista would cover most bases for most cars. But maybe this is what I need to do as I'm genuinely concerned this will cause an accident at some point.

Do you have experience with OBD11? I'm completely bewildered by their website offerings which seem to range from £30 to £100 with little explanation as to what I'd actually need. I also noticed that the list of functionality for the Up! seems to cover everything except this feature so a little weary about splurging on something that may not do what is needed. I'll email them and see if they know.

[Whataguy]

Unfortunately I think it always defaults to on now. On older cars when it was first introduced it kept whatever you set it to.

It varies between cars, in the VW group I've found:

id3 - fine, is a bit busy and makes quite a few minor corrections on narrow country roads

polo - fine, no issues

t-cross - also fine

taigo - fine, apart from some reason the lane keep assist is incredibly powerful, and an elderly person would struggle to override. I've not found it to be a problem with the others.

Some of the cars have a button on the steering wheel, so it's easy to press that and then one click to disable the system. Later cars are a pain as it's hidden away in the infotainment menu instead.


However on my 2021 Honda Jazz it tried to kill me almost every day! On a narrow country road it would think you were too close to the kerb so instead steer you head on towards oncoming traffic.

I had to go through the procedure of disabling it before every drive. A pain if you stop for petrol and are fiddling around turning it off before you can go.

Edited by Whataguy on Wednesday 28th June 14:34

Edited by Whataguy on Wednesday 28th June 14:35

[Gad-Westy]

Whataguy said:

Unfortunately I think it always defaults to on now. On older cars when it was first introduced it kept whatever you set it to.

It varies between cars, in the VW group I've found:

id3 - fine, is a bit busy and makes quite a few minor corrections on narrow country roads

polo - fine, no issues

t-cross - also fine

taigo - fine, apart from some reason the lane keep assist is incredibly powerful, and an elderly person would struggle to override. I've not found it to be a problem with the others.

Some of the cars have a button on the steering wheel, so it's easy to press that and then one click to disable the system. Later cars are a pain as it's hidden away in the infotainment menu instead.


However on my 2021 Honda Jazz it tried to kill me almost every day! On a narrow country road it would think you were too close to the kerb so instead steer you head on towards oncoming traffic.

I had to go through the procedure of disabling it before every drive. A pain if you stop for petrol and are fiddling around turning it off before you can go.

Edited by Whataguy on Wednesday 28th June 14:34

Edited by Whataguy on Wednesday 28th June 14:35

Cheers. It is easy to turn off on the Up. Just one button. It's just that I often forget. And sometimes your reminder can be quite a dangerous one!

[nebpor]

I have a brand new A3 hire car whilst my own car is being painted - it also had this abomination of a system.

I drove over a country road at the weekend and it completely ruined the drive, I was constantly fighting it!

I've not driven a car newer than about 10 years old and I will admit to being sorely disappointed at the state of the tech

[catso]

Never driven a car with it but, my Wife's Q2 has, a couple of times, gone into panic braking mode with the 'pre sense' false sensing.

As above, you can switch it off but it's not just a button press and then it defaults back on at every start, again a solution to a problem that didn't exist.

And they want us to trust self-driving cars....

[HTP99]

Had use of a Seat Leon for a week in April, the bloody lane assist was awful, it always defaulted to ON, meaning it had to be turned off, every time I drove the car, which meant not just pressing a button, oh no I had to delve deep into the menus to deactivate it; 5 presses to get to it, turn it off and back to the screen I was originally on, whoever designed it like that is a moron.

It was at it's worse on tight country lanes where, frequently it would pick up the verge if you had to get close to it due to oncoming cars, trying to wrench me away back to the oncoming cars, bloody hateful thing.

[catso]

Can it be disabled by covering the camera(s)?

[TVR_Steve]

It's awful, it defaults to on because of a European requirement apparently. Bloody dangerous and part of the standard "getting ready to drive" checklist for me is to now turn it off, every time.

[nebpor]

HTP99 said:

It was at it's worse on tight country lanes where, frequently it would pick up the verge if you had to get close to it due to oncoming cars, trying to wrench me away back to the oncoming cars, bloody hateful thing.

That's EXACTLY what it was doing with me - thankfully I've always been a both-hands-on-the-wheel driver but it was still odd to have the car fight my input!

[Whataguy]

catso said:

Can it be disabled by covering the camera(s)?

Probably, on my Jazz the system often didn't work in the winter when the camera was blocked by internal condensation after being parked outside overnight.

After driving for a while it would dry out and start working again unfortunately.

The camera will likely be within the swept area of the windscreen wipers, so you would have to try and stick a bit of paper inside between the housing and windscreen.

There was a warning light on the dash when the system wasn't working, as well as a message on the screen.

[FMOB]

I'll add my +1, horrible system but blame NCAP for it. Manufacturer's get a higher rating for their vehicles by including this.

I can only suggest venting your spleen at NCAP about this as it is their dumb idea.

[HTP99]

FMOB said:

I'll add my +1, horrible system but blame NCAP for it. Manufacturer's get a higher rating for their vehicles by including this.

I can only suggest venting your spleen at NCAP about this as it is their dumb idea.

Yes and no, alot of it is the implementation of the system, take the 18 month old Seat I had for a week, the default was "ON" the procedure to turn it off was ridiculous, 5 presses of a button, various menus.

Normally I'm in a Renault, lately I have been driving the latest 2; Megane E-Tech and Austral, I turn it off, it stays off!

Selecting the speed limiter in the Seat is the same ballache; 1 button which defaults to cruise control, you have to then delve into the menu to change it to the limiter, once there the increments are 5mph only, not 1mph, as everyone knows 52 on the limiter is a real 50, but you can't select 52, it's either 50 or 55.

Next time you are in the car, the default has gone back to cruise control!

Edited by HTP99 on Wednesday 28th June 20:01

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Does Carista have a Long Coding mode?

This is what you need. It's a 2min job with VCDS.

[Whataguy]

HTP99 said:

Selecting the speed limiter in the Seat is the same ballache; 1 button which defaults to cruise control, you have to then delve into the menu to change it to the limiter, once there the increments are 5mph only, not 1mph, as everyone knows 52 on the limiter is a real 50, but you can't select 52, it's either 50 or 55.

Edited by HTP99 on Wednesday 28th June 20:01

If it's like my golf, there may be a hidden 1mph adjustment possible. It works for my cruise control, not sure about the limiter.

The main +/- button jumps in 5mph increments but when cruise is active I can use the resume button to increase by 1mph and the set button to go down 1mph from the set speed.

It's used every day due to all the average 50mph limits. If I just set 50 it's a real 48 or so, which causes traffic to bunch up.

On my Honda, a tap of the + button was +5mph but if you held it for a second it went up by 1mph.

[FMOB]

HTP99 said:

FMOB said:

I'll add my +1, horrible system but blame NCAP for it. Manufacturer's get a higher rating for their vehicles by including this.

I can only suggest venting your spleen at NCAP about this as it is their dumb idea.

Yes and no, alot of it is the implementation of the system, take the 18 month old Seat I had for a week, the default was "ON" the procedure to turn it off was ridiculous, 5 presses of a button, various menus.

Normally I'm in a Renault, lately I have been driving the latest 2; Megane E-Tech and Austral, I turn it off, it stays off!

Selecting the speed limiter in the Seat is the same ballache; 1 button which defaults to cruise control, you have to then delve into the menu to change it to the limiter, once there the increments are 5mph only, not 1mph, as everyone knows 52 on the limiter is a real 50, but you can't select 52, it's either 50 or 55.

Next time you are in the car, the default has gone back to cruise control!

Edited by HTP99 on Wednesday 28th June 20:01

So all the cars you have difficulty turning the lane assist off are VAG cars, funny that VAG would make life difficult for their customers, they seem hell bent on producing cars with horrendous user experiences.

Quicker these idiots curl their corporate toes up the better.

[Whataguy]

FMOB said:

So all the cars you have difficulty turning the lane assist off are VAG cars, funny that VAG would make life difficult for their customers, they seem hell bent on producing cars with horrendous user experiences.

Quicker these idiots curl their corporate toes up the better.

They finally realise that they have made their cars difficult and frustrating for users, but unfortunately it will take them a few years to correct all their mistakes.

Real steering wheel buttons and decent software are supposed to be coming back, but not instantly.

I was looking at sales charts of Europe's best selling cars this week, the golf dropped off a cliff when it used to be number one.

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The regulations stipulate the "default to on" and a minimum number of operations to switch off.

However they're still relatively new so very few cars actually have to meet them as their approval pre dates the regs.

I don't think the regs actually apply at all in the UK since Brexit, but it would be a brave UK importer (e.g. VW UK) to decide to disable "safety" features for the UK market.