1.8T "Chipping advice"
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My first post on this site and I was wondering if anyone could list or has experience of "chiping" a golf 1.8t (S reg 98). I have called the above company and they have said they could increase my BHP from 150 to 210 by using 1 chip . This seems like an awful lot to me, will the rest of the car handle it?? also is this a good price £350 + VAT?
Any info much appreciated.
Any info much appreciated.
210BHP is pushing the truth a bit if your engine is a 150BHP running a K03 turbo. The standard injectors wont flow enough for that. Limit is more like 190-200BHP.
Seems a good business to be in though, £350-£500 to plug a laptop into the ODB port and flash the ECU!.
If you have a Revo Technik dealer local to you they can load a free trial version of the software on that will give you the increased power for 5 hrs or so to see what you think.
>> Edited by wildeep on Tuesday 16th August 19:35
Seems a good business to be in though, £350-£500 to plug a laptop into the ODB port and flash the ECU!.
If you have a Revo Technik dealer local to you they can load a free trial version of the software on that will give you the increased power for 5 hrs or so to see what you think.
>> Edited by wildeep on Tuesday 16th August 19:35
Ive got a 1.8T Sport A4 which QS Tuning (Kim Collins - MTM distributor) in Haywards Heath chipped (for about £500 IIRC) to 197bhp (since had the exhaust done and now supposedly 210 bhp). All the chaps in the Audi garage that have driven it said it was bloody quick for a 4 cylinder A4 
Not sure about 210bhp with a stage 1 chip alone.
Not sure about 210bhp with a stage 1 chip alone.
www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shared/part_detail.cfm?PMaI=1&PMoI=1&PEI=2&PP=a4_18t_drivetrain.cfm&PPT=Drivetrain&IL=AWEK04
These chaps do a good job. Wery highly rated over here.
Or
www.goapr.com/Audi/products/ecu_upgrade_a418t.html
The GIAC is more brutal, whereas the apr chip is a lot smother, but has more power. These are big companies over here, and their results are very reliable. You will get 200+.
These chaps do a good job. Wery highly rated over here.
Or
www.goapr.com/Audi/products/ecu_upgrade_a418t.html
The GIAC is more brutal, whereas the apr chip is a lot smother, but has more power. These are big companies over here, and their results are very reliable. You will get 200+.
Have a look at www.audiforums.com
Lots of people have used these chippingh people, apr, and GIAC, and gained the results they advertise.
Lots of people have used these chippingh people, apr, and GIAC, and gained the results they advertise.
These chip upgrades are an absolute scam generally speaking.
Why? Well think about it like this.
Whats it take for an engine to make more power?
More Airflow!
The more air you can cram in, the more fuel you can put with it and the bigger the bang...(not literally i hope!).
Anyhow, back on track.
What this equates to in turbo cars at least is removing boost and rev limits, and if youre really lucky youll get a new map to take advantage of *possible* improvements.
But a map alone WONT give anything like the kinds of power increases claimed.
Why not? Well, wheres the extra airlow going to come from?
The turbo of course.
This is usually gained by shimming the wastegate spring, running a piggyback ecu, or calibrated bleed.
All of which dont require the chip at all. *Not needed!*
In essence, tuning chips are in my ever so humbled opinion, a swizz, unless the chips actually make a proper contribution towards power production via a complete engine map and not some half assed attempt to tweak one or two parameters..
Justification of the price for what the things actually do is based on peoples ignorance of what is actually needed to gain the extra power they *promise* you.
And the *promise* (on turbo cars at least) is easily produced simply by upping the boost via one of the methods already stated. They win everytime.
No mysteries here!
And what happens to your naturally aspirated cars when a "chip" is fitted?
Virtually nothing. And nothing so dramatic as on a turbo car.
That Butt Dyno is a marvellous device!
You know when you see the ads, " Gives 21bhp!" etc etc....well, not quite.
Its 21 bhp TOTAL. Say 1 bhp at 3500 and 2 at 4000 rpm etc! Oh yes indeed!
Next time youre in the market for a "chip" and you see this kind of ad, ask em ehat revs this 21 bhp (or whatever) occurs at. The answer will be of course....its a total figure sir.
I once worked on a Sun Roadamatic rolling road many years ago and was witness to the bullshit thats perpertrated on the gullible public.
An injected car (type evades my hole filled memory for now) was dynoed and found to be making X amount of power.
A certain "chip" was fitted (from a supposed reputable supplier) and another run was performed after ensuring temperature and baro was compensated for and to ensure comparable testing conditions and results.. The run then commenced.
Result? Power down across the band.
A brief discussion with the suppliers apparently had them struggling for an explanation as to what to do.
The car had no faults and when the original chip was re-installed it made as much power as it originally did.
Hmmm how bout that then?
Anyway, several more runs were taken (not by me i hasten to add- i hate scammers) and the same results were obtained every time.
Various attempts to change base timing and fuel pressures etc all ended in a negative result for the "chip" and a positive for the OE specced chip.
It was then that the darker side of human nature and the tuning trade reared its ugly head and it was suggested that the figures be "optimised" so as to give a positive result where non had occured.
And so it came to pass, an incorrect input on the ambient temperature and barometric pressures ensured a "positive" was displayed on the customers graph.
Road tests of the "improved" vehicle confirmed no glitches such as flat spots or hesitation and so the customer was duly contacted and the graph presented with an opportunity for him to road test the new, improved car.
And do you know what he said when he came back? Yup! He could "feel the extra power"!...
Oh brother! 
Now some may argue that this is an isolated incident, but, how do any of us actually know any different?
And when your wallets 350 sovs lighter, youre going to want to believe that your money was well spent, arent you?
My advice? Stay away from "chips" and "resistors" and do the right thing: Go for a proper upgrade such as a standalone management system,turbo upgrade, intercooler etc and deal with a reputable dyno operator to get the most out of your car.
As a general guide, £12 for every bhp is SUPPOSED to be good value for money....it just dosent sound it to me....
Just to add: I have NO vested interests one way or the other regarding "chip tuning" but i do hate to see people bent over and given a good old fashioned shafting by the crooks out there......yes, you know who you are.
Why? Well think about it like this.
Whats it take for an engine to make more power?
More Airflow!
The more air you can cram in, the more fuel you can put with it and the bigger the bang...(not literally i hope!).
Anyhow, back on track.
What this equates to in turbo cars at least is removing boost and rev limits, and if youre really lucky youll get a new map to take advantage of *possible* improvements.
But a map alone WONT give anything like the kinds of power increases claimed.
Why not? Well, wheres the extra airlow going to come from?
The turbo of course.
This is usually gained by shimming the wastegate spring, running a piggyback ecu, or calibrated bleed.
All of which dont require the chip at all. *Not needed!*
In essence, tuning chips are in my ever so humbled opinion, a swizz, unless the chips actually make a proper contribution towards power production via a complete engine map and not some half assed attempt to tweak one or two parameters..
Justification of the price for what the things actually do is based on peoples ignorance of what is actually needed to gain the extra power they *promise* you.
And the *promise* (on turbo cars at least) is easily produced simply by upping the boost via one of the methods already stated. They win everytime.
No mysteries here!
And what happens to your naturally aspirated cars when a "chip" is fitted?
Virtually nothing. And nothing so dramatic as on a turbo car.
That Butt Dyno is a marvellous device!
You know when you see the ads, " Gives 21bhp!" etc etc....well, not quite.
Its 21 bhp TOTAL. Say 1 bhp at 3500 and 2 at 4000 rpm etc! Oh yes indeed!
Next time youre in the market for a "chip" and you see this kind of ad, ask em ehat revs this 21 bhp (or whatever) occurs at. The answer will be of course....its a total figure sir.
I once worked on a Sun Roadamatic rolling road many years ago and was witness to the bullshit thats perpertrated on the gullible public.
An injected car (type evades my hole filled memory for now) was dynoed and found to be making X amount of power.
A certain "chip" was fitted (from a supposed reputable supplier) and another run was performed after ensuring temperature and baro was compensated for and to ensure comparable testing conditions and results.. The run then commenced.
Result? Power down across the band.
A brief discussion with the suppliers apparently had them struggling for an explanation as to what to do.
The car had no faults and when the original chip was re-installed it made as much power as it originally did.
Hmmm how bout that then?
Anyway, several more runs were taken (not by me i hasten to add- i hate scammers) and the same results were obtained every time.
Various attempts to change base timing and fuel pressures etc all ended in a negative result for the "chip" and a positive for the OE specced chip.
It was then that the darker side of human nature and the tuning trade reared its ugly head and it was suggested that the figures be "optimised" so as to give a positive result where non had occured.
And so it came to pass, an incorrect input on the ambient temperature and barometric pressures ensured a "positive" was displayed on the customers graph.
Road tests of the "improved" vehicle confirmed no glitches such as flat spots or hesitation and so the customer was duly contacted and the graph presented with an opportunity for him to road test the new, improved car.
And do you know what he said when he came back? Yup! He could "feel the extra power"!...
Oh brother! Now some may argue that this is an isolated incident, but, how do any of us actually know any different?
And when your wallets 350 sovs lighter, youre going to want to believe that your money was well spent, arent you?
My advice? Stay away from "chips" and "resistors" and do the right thing: Go for a proper upgrade such as a standalone management system,turbo upgrade, intercooler etc and deal with a reputable dyno operator to get the most out of your car.
As a general guide, £12 for every bhp is SUPPOSED to be good value for money....it just dosent sound it to me....
Just to add: I have NO vested interests one way or the other regarding "chip tuning" but i do hate to see people bent over and given a good old fashioned shafting by the crooks out there......yes, you know who you are.
"and deal with a reputable dyno operator to get the most out of your car."
The guy at Star (see link in my last bit) HAS to have his Dyno calibrated by the makers every 6 months or the German makers (of the dyno) LOSE their TUV approval........
MoJo
PS DF totally agree about the rest of your thread input as well, even diesels (which are the most "chip friendly)some claims do seem extravagant........
The guy at Star (see link in my last bit) HAS to have his Dyno calibrated by the makers every 6 months or the German makers (of the dyno) LOSE their TUV approval........
MoJo
PS DF totally agree about the rest of your thread input as well, even diesels (which are the most "chip friendly)some claims do seem extravagant........
monkeyhanger said:
If it starts with S and ends with S then avoid it like the plague.
Jabbasport or APR would be my choice.
Jabba re-mapped my car 2 years ago, it IS lot quicker than standard and has been proven on the road and track more than once.
No smoke & mirrors / snake oil etc here thanks
Ah youve had dealings then too?
deltafox said:
If it starts with S and ends with S then avoid it like the plague.
Jabbasport or APR would be my choice.
Jabba re-mapped my car 2 years ago, it IS lot quicker than standard and has been proven on the road and track more than once.
No smoke & mirrors / snake oil etc here thanks
Ah youve had dealings then too?
Nope, but i know a few people that have
Hence i was forewarned and went to Jabba
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