Clunky 7 Speed DSG Box Golf TCR
Discussion
Evening all,
Long time lurker so thought it was about time to asked for some assistance and try and help others where I can too.
I recently picked up a 2020 (69) TCR and have been really enjoying the car. A few things with the gearbox have unsettled me and whilst the cars still under VW warranty I thought it was worth getting it sorted sooner rather than later. Having come from a 2012 Edition 35 with a Revo Stage 1 ECU and TCU, I expected the later 7 speed box to be superior but so far I have found it to be quite clunky. The car has only done 30k miles so not loads.
For example, sometimes when I put the car from Park to Drive its quite hard to get it out of park. Once it goes past Reverse it is smooth but coming-out of park can be quite clunky. I have driven other 7.5 GTI's with the same box and its always been fairly easy to move the gear lever out of Park and into the other gears. Second to this, when going into park it is sometimes clunky too.
Again sometimes, when I'm sat at a junction before changing it into neutral it feels as though the car is wanting to pull away and the clutches haven't disengaged. It also sounds as though the engine is labouring whereas I always understood it to disengage the clutches when stopped with your foot on the brake.
Thirdly, and whilst this may not be related but when I come to a stop with the brakes, the car feels like it rocks forwards and backwards rather than just smoothly stopping.
Finally, when I pull away from a junction in Drive, the car goes into second gear and it seems to sit at a set RPM for longer than it should before dropping down into third and then carrying on. Its hard to explain but its almost as though you pull away and it doesn't change into third as quick as you'd expect it too.
I do plan on taking it to my local independent for them to take a look at before taking it to VW but can anyone assist me with any ideas of what the problem may be? Or if the issues I'm having are completely normal.
Thanks
Pete
Long time lurker so thought it was about time to asked for some assistance and try and help others where I can too.
I recently picked up a 2020 (69) TCR and have been really enjoying the car. A few things with the gearbox have unsettled me and whilst the cars still under VW warranty I thought it was worth getting it sorted sooner rather than later. Having come from a 2012 Edition 35 with a Revo Stage 1 ECU and TCU, I expected the later 7 speed box to be superior but so far I have found it to be quite clunky. The car has only done 30k miles so not loads.
For example, sometimes when I put the car from Park to Drive its quite hard to get it out of park. Once it goes past Reverse it is smooth but coming-out of park can be quite clunky. I have driven other 7.5 GTI's with the same box and its always been fairly easy to move the gear lever out of Park and into the other gears. Second to this, when going into park it is sometimes clunky too.
Again sometimes, when I'm sat at a junction before changing it into neutral it feels as though the car is wanting to pull away and the clutches haven't disengaged. It also sounds as though the engine is labouring whereas I always understood it to disengage the clutches when stopped with your foot on the brake.
Thirdly, and whilst this may not be related but when I come to a stop with the brakes, the car feels like it rocks forwards and backwards rather than just smoothly stopping.
Finally, when I pull away from a junction in Drive, the car goes into second gear and it seems to sit at a set RPM for longer than it should before dropping down into third and then carrying on. Its hard to explain but its almost as though you pull away and it doesn't change into third as quick as you'd expect it too.
I do plan on taking it to my local independent for them to take a look at before taking it to VW but can anyone assist me with any ideas of what the problem may be? Or if the issues I'm having are completely normal.
Thanks
Pete
I presume the gear selector is not mechanically connected to the gearbox, so perhaps some of the issues are associated with the selector itself, or perhaps sensors associated with the selector e.g. if it is not always getting a signal from the brake pedal that your foot is on the brake, then perhaps it won't allow you to shift out of park?
Peter_booker2003 said:
Evening all,
Long time lurker so thought it was about time to asked for some assistance and try and help others where I can too.
I recently picked up a 2020 (69) TCR and have been really enjoying the car. A few things with the gearbox have unsettled me and whilst the cars still under VW warranty I thought it was worth getting it sorted sooner rather than later. Having come from a 2012 Edition 35 with a Revo Stage 1 ECU and TCU, I expected the later 7 speed box to be superior but so far I have found it to be quite clunky. The car has only done 30k miles so not loads.
For example, sometimes when I put the car from Park to Drive its quite hard to get it out of park. Once it goes past Reverse it is smooth but coming-out of park can be quite clunky. I have driven other 7.5 GTI's with the same box and its always been fairly easy to move the gear lever out of Park and into the other gears. Second to this, when going into park it is sometimes clunky too.
Again sometimes, when I'm sat at a junction before changing it into neutral it feels as though the car is wanting to pull away and the clutches haven't disengaged. It also sounds as though the engine is labouring whereas I always understood it to disengage the clutches when stopped with your foot on the brake.
Thirdly, and whilst this may not be related but when I come to a stop with the brakes, the car feels like it rocks forwards and backwards rather than just smoothly stopping.
Finally, when I pull away from a junction in Drive, the car goes into second gear and it seems to sit at a set RPM for longer than it should before dropping down into third and then carrying on. Its hard to explain but its almost as though you pull away and it doesn't change into third as quick as you'd expect it too.
I do plan on taking it to my local independent for them to take a look at before taking it to VW but can anyone assist me with any ideas of what the problem may be? Or if the issues I'm having are completely normal.
Thanks
Pete
Hi mate can't help on the other points but on the 'labouring when stopped on the brakes' point - i have a 6sp DSG Octavia '18 plate and it does the same thing. You can feel/hear it putting slight load on the engine. Putting it into neutral stops the noise. Long time lurker so thought it was about time to asked for some assistance and try and help others where I can too.
I recently picked up a 2020 (69) TCR and have been really enjoying the car. A few things with the gearbox have unsettled me and whilst the cars still under VW warranty I thought it was worth getting it sorted sooner rather than later. Having come from a 2012 Edition 35 with a Revo Stage 1 ECU and TCU, I expected the later 7 speed box to be superior but so far I have found it to be quite clunky. The car has only done 30k miles so not loads.
For example, sometimes when I put the car from Park to Drive its quite hard to get it out of park. Once it goes past Reverse it is smooth but coming-out of park can be quite clunky. I have driven other 7.5 GTI's with the same box and its always been fairly easy to move the gear lever out of Park and into the other gears. Second to this, when going into park it is sometimes clunky too.
Again sometimes, when I'm sat at a junction before changing it into neutral it feels as though the car is wanting to pull away and the clutches haven't disengaged. It also sounds as though the engine is labouring whereas I always understood it to disengage the clutches when stopped with your foot on the brake.
Thirdly, and whilst this may not be related but when I come to a stop with the brakes, the car feels like it rocks forwards and backwards rather than just smoothly stopping.
Finally, when I pull away from a junction in Drive, the car goes into second gear and it seems to sit at a set RPM for longer than it should before dropping down into third and then carrying on. Its hard to explain but its almost as though you pull away and it doesn't change into third as quick as you'd expect it too.
I do plan on taking it to my local independent for them to take a look at before taking it to VW but can anyone assist me with any ideas of what the problem may be? Or if the issues I'm having are completely normal.
Thanks
Pete
I asked at a main dealer, they assured me that it is entirely normal. However it does seem wrong, surely it would cause wear and tear?
budgie smuggler said:
Hi mate can't help on the other points but on the 'labouring when stopped on the brakes' point - i have a 6sp DSG Octavia '18 plate and it does the same thing. You can feel/hear it putting slight load on the engine. Putting it into neutral stops the noise.
I asked at a main dealer, they assured me that it is entirely normal. However it does seem wrong, surely it would cause wear and tear?
I believe at least some DSG gearboxes let the clutch drag when stopped in drive to simulate the creep from a torque converter. You’re right though, it does cause unnecessary wear and some experts advise putting in neutral when stopped unless moving off again is imminent. I asked at a main dealer, they assured me that it is entirely normal. However it does seem wrong, surely it would cause wear and tear?
Scirocco R. Re putting the box into neutral when stationary, surely this is just common sense. Maybe it's my age but I stop, push the lever into neutral and put the handbrake on unless I can see that I'll be moving again in a few seconds.
I did the same with torque converter gearboxes too. It only takes a second but saves wear on everything. And sitting in front of someone with your brakes lights on unnecessarily is just annoying....
I did the same with torque converter gearboxes too. It only takes a second but saves wear on everything. And sitting in front of someone with your brakes lights on unnecessarily is just annoying....
The 7-speed 0B5 DSG (not sure if this is the one in question) disengages when stationary, so it's fine to leave in Drive. Safe for a torque convertor as well, it's just fluid.
There's an argument that it can be worse to shift into N or P and apply handbrake each time because those actions cause physical wear. A further argument against using P whilst at the lights is if you are hit or nudged from the rear (or reversed into) it could damage the parking pawl in the gearbox.
I just sit in D whilst at lights etc, although my only dislike it blinding people behind with the brake lights, but it's so common now what with so many auto boxes about.
There's an argument that it can be worse to shift into N or P and apply handbrake each time because those actions cause physical wear. A further argument against using P whilst at the lights is if you are hit or nudged from the rear (or reversed into) it could damage the parking pawl in the gearbox.
I just sit in D whilst at lights etc, although my only dislike it blinding people behind with the brake lights, but it's so common now what with so many auto boxes about.
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