New boss for VAG...bit of a surprise
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Herbert Diess is out in September by mutual agreement and Oliver Blume from Porsche is taking over. Interesting speculation in link below:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-grou...
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-grou...
Interesting.
The concern that Diess' rush to full electrification would necessitate significant job losses does seem to be part of it.
While AE seem rather keen to bang this drum, established car companies do have a real issue with software development, it's just a very different activity that requires hiring different people who must be organised in a different way from building cars.
looks like Blume will retain his position at Porsche also at this time, presumably with a possible Porsche IPO to be managed:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagens-diess-s...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagens-diess-s...
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
Please can we not have the pro/anti EV debate again on this thread? I suggest we stick to reality, rather than what we would prefer to happen.
However within the legal framework there are options for the strategy a company can take; how quickly you plan to migrate, how much you plan to sell hybrids up to 2035, whether you promote consideration of possible alternatives such as E-Fuels or hydrogen, whether you plan to continue building ICEs for export to markets like the States.
Many VW workers would prefer a slower transition to the lower-labour EVs, such that they can see our their own careers without risk of redundancies even if the end result for the industry as a whole is the same.
Diess has been determined to push VW to move as fast as possible and lead the industry into the electric future.
Anyway speed of electrification is only one issue, another has been Cariad, VW's central software organisation which all group brands must rely on for software, closely associated with Diess.
Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Sure, every car company needs a plan to convert to EVs, that's the law, agreed.However within the legal framework there are options for the strategy a company can take; how quickly you plan to migrate, how much you plan to sell hybrids up to 2035, whether you promote consideration of possible alternatives such as E-Fuels or hydrogen, whether you plan to continue building ICEs for export to markets like the States.
Many VW workers would prefer a slower transition to the lower-labour EVs, such that they can see our their own careers without risk of redundancies even if the end result for the industry as a whole is the same.
Diess has been determined to push VW to move as fast as possible and lead the industry into the electric future.
Anyway speed of electrification is only one issue, another has been Cariad, VW's central software organisation which all group brands must rely on for software, closely associated with Diess.
Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
samoht said:
Please can we not have the pro/anti EV debate again on this thread? I suggest we stick to reality, rather than what we would prefer to happen.
However within the legal framework there are options for the strategy a company can take; how quickly you plan to migrate, how much you plan to sell hybrids up to 2035, whether you promote consideration of possible alternatives such as E-Fuels or hydrogen, whether you plan to continue building ICEs for export to markets like the States.
Many VW workers would prefer a slower transition to the lower-labour EVs, such that they can see our their own careers without risk of redundancies even if the end result for the industry as a whole is the same.
Diess has been determined to push VW to move as fast as possible and lead the industry into the electric future.
Anyway speed of electrification is only one issue, another has been Cariad, VW's central software organisation which all group brands must rely on for software, closely associated with Diess.
Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
Agreed, this is a sensible way of looking at it based in realityD4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Sure, every car company needs a plan to convert to EVs, that's the law, agreed.However within the legal framework there are options for the strategy a company can take; how quickly you plan to migrate, how much you plan to sell hybrids up to 2035, whether you promote consideration of possible alternatives such as E-Fuels or hydrogen, whether you plan to continue building ICEs for export to markets like the States.
Many VW workers would prefer a slower transition to the lower-labour EVs, such that they can see our their own careers without risk of redundancies even if the end result for the industry as a whole is the same.
Diess has been determined to push VW to move as fast as possible and lead the industry into the electric future.
Anyway speed of electrification is only one issue, another has been Cariad, VW's central software organisation which all group brands must rely on for software, closely associated with Diess.
Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
As a long term Porsche owner there is no doubt that they are way being when it comes to software; the usability sucks and the whole suite is grim. I wish they would get a team in from Apple and just get it sorted. Maybe Jonny Ive might take the job for the fun of it
If Cariad does not work well then it will delay the whole group.
If Cariad does not work well then it will delay the whole group.
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
Nickbrapp said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
Diesel was the future not so long ago
TX.
samoht said:
Interesting.
The concern that Diess' rush to full electrification would necessitate significant job losses does seem to be part of it.
While AE seem rather keen to bang this drum, established car companies do have a real issue with software development, it's just a very different activity that requires hiring different people who must be organised in a different way from building cars.
A German mate of mine used to do outsourced software development for a German car company. Put him right off German car companies!The concern that Diess' rush to full electrification would necessitate significant job losses does seem to be part of it.
While AE seem rather keen to bang this drum, established car companies do have a real issue with software development, it's just a very different activity that requires hiring different people who must be organised in a different way from building cars.
Terminator X said:
D4rez said:
Lexington59 said:
D4rez said:
Doubt it’s over full electrification, for Europe that’s law anyway so whoever replaces him will need to do exactly the same
Electrification is not necessarily the answer. The blind leading the blind comes to mind if you believe the EVangelists… 2030 will be kicked into the long grass…Edited by D4rez on Friday 22 July 22:04
Diesel was the future not so long ago
TX.
samoht said:
Anyway speed of electrification is only one issue, another has been Cariad, VW's central software organisation which all group brands must rely on for software, closely associated with Diess.
Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
Aren’t the Cariad related issues slightly more fundamental for VAG than just the postponement of Artemis.Software development has been a struggle for VW, and as Porsche and Audi bosses have been let down by yet another software delay from Cariad, Diess' position has weakened.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-deep...
Blume only a few days ago had to announce that Macan EV had been pushed back a year with pre-production units already being assembled. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/porsche-ceo-con...
Working from that announcement it is surely obvious that with the lead vehicle not being ready due to lack of software. VAG face a double hit of having to delay there complete PPE product plan by a year and extend ICE production by a year, with all the associated supplier contracts needing to be renegotiated to defer supply of PPE parts and extend MLB? volumes. Something that would I’d thought end up hitting costs by a few billion, ignoring of course sales lost due not having competitive EV’s against BMW, Mercedes, Polestar and Tesla.
Having tied EV’s and Cariad together the ability to execute new EV’s becomes constrained by Cariad being able to deliver the needed software and it be of a sufficiently high quality. Remember VW have been roundly criticised for the poor UX in Golf 8 related to the touch first software being a bit s
t and almost every review of an ID/MEB vehicle has been critical of the infotainment/software. VAG can’t afford to push out another round of duds. The hardware may indeed be great but if the software that driver interacts with is s
t they’re not going to see past the st software, in a software heavy vehicle. Gassing Station | Audi, Seat, Skoda & VW | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff