2018 Golf 1.4 TSI - DSG query
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Owned since March/April this year, first ever auto and DSG. On just under 20k miles and had a service with VW a few months back.
Since the last month or so, each time I shift from Drive(D) into Park(P) at traffic lights, the car gently 'lurches'. Its typically on slopes/hills but also on flat roads too. Is this normal for a DSG or anything I should be concerned about? It's noticeable as it wasn't doing this before.
Since the last month or so, each time I shift from Drive(D) into Park(P) at traffic lights, the car gently 'lurches'. Its typically on slopes/hills but also on flat roads too. Is this normal for a DSG or anything I should be concerned about? It's noticeable as it wasn't doing this before.
I have the same engine & DSG in 2018 Seat Leon FR on 23k miles & I don't experience what you describe.
No need to shift into P at traffic lights as car disengages the clutches when car stopped.
No need to shift into P at traffic lights as car disengages the clutches when car stopped.
Edited by Glosphil on Saturday 18th December 16:09
Edited by Glosphil on Saturday 18th December 16:10
Glosphil said:
I have the same engine & DSG in 2018 Seat Leon FR on 23k miles & I don't experience what you describe.
No need to shift into P at traffic lights as car disengages the clutches when car stopped.
Hmmm.......hoping it's not a sign of issues to come. No need to shift into P at traffic lights as car disengages the clutches when car stopped.
Edited by Glosphil on Saturday 18th December 16:09
Edited by Glosphil on Saturday 18th December 16:10
I usually just hit the brakes when I come to red lights to stop the car rolling forward, it's only when on steeper inclines I tend to use switch to P but maybe it's bit overkill.
The main thing I don't want to do is b*gger up the DSG....car is still under warranty but would rather avoid the potential headache if possible. Once outside of warranty, the repair costs for DSG's look scary too....
It's a 2018 plate, just under 20k on the clock.
Before purchasing the Golf, I did have reservations due to a lot of the horror stories you hear about DSG but was under the impression VW started to use an improved stronger version around 2017/18. It's also a much smoother ride than my old focus!
Would it be worthwhile asking VW to check it over?
Before purchasing the Golf, I did have reservations due to a lot of the horror stories you hear about DSG but was under the impression VW started to use an improved stronger version around 2017/18. It's also a much smoother ride than my old focus!
Would it be worthwhile asking VW to check it over?
VR99 said:
It's a 2018 plate, just under 20k on the clock.
Before purchasing the Golf, I did have reservations due to a lot of the horror stories you hear about DSG but was under the impression VW started to use an improved stronger version around 2017/18. It's also a much smoother ride than my old focus!
Would it be worthwhile asking VW to check it over?
Yes. It's not normal for them to lurch as you describe. On flat ground once in P it should not move once you have released the foot brakeBefore purchasing the Golf, I did have reservations due to a lot of the horror stories you hear about DSG but was under the impression VW started to use an improved stronger version around 2017/18. It's also a much smoother ride than my old focus!
Would it be worthwhile asking VW to check it over?
I've spoken to my nearest main dealer who I have a service package with, will ask them to book it in and take a look.
I purchased the car via VW Used Approved and it came with 24 months approved used warranty...haven't checked the small print but hoping that in a worse-case scenario it will cover me if there are any major issues with the DSG.
I purchased the car via VW Used Approved and it came with 24 months approved used warranty...haven't checked the small print but hoping that in a worse-case scenario it will cover me if there are any major issues with the DSG.
It's a bit too new to need a fluid change (that's why I was asking the age) but maybe they'll chose to do that and a relearn and see how it goes.
My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
Smiljan said:
It's a bit too new to need a fluid change (that's why I was asking the age) but maybe they'll chose to do that and a relearn and see how it goes.
My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
Yes, a 2018 1.4TSi will have the 7-speed dry clutch DSG. My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
Glosphil said:
Smiljan said:
It's a bit too new to need a fluid change (that's why I was asking the age) but maybe they'll chose to do that and a relearn and see how it goes.
My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
Yes, a 2018 1.4TSi will have the 7-speed dry clutch DSG. My previous Mk 5 Gti which had the older DSG started to get a bit aggressive with the changes at slow speeds and a strip and rebuild of the mechatronic unit at this place https://milta.co/ sorted it for £800 while I waited. It had done almost 100k or hard miles with track days and nurburgring trips though.
They used to be called Bristol Gearbox Centre, can't recommend them highly enough even if you just call and describe the symptoms they'll normally give you an idea of what it could be if the main dealer isn't much use.
I assume yours is the 7 speed dry clutch version?
Currently less than 20k on the clock and I do 5000 miles per year (less since Covid) so should still be in good condition overall and on a main dealer used service package.
My only other concern is that hopefully I am using the DSG correctly...for example I was using the 'P' at traffic lights and it sounds like that was not needed...just want to avoid adding any wear and tear to the DSG through incorrect use.
Thanks for the suggestion on Bristol Gear Centre, may just check in with them if the main dealer is not helpful...hoping they will be and not fob me off.
stevemcs said:
7speed is one of the worst for reliability, the 6 speed the flywheels tend to fail. The last 7 speed we passed on cost the owner just over 3k, it needed a new mechatronic unit and clutch pack. The gearbox failed while sitting waiting for a parking space.
I was hoping this was not the case...oh dear..... Before I decided on the Golf (admittedly a last min decision) I would of avoided anything with a DSG but all the alternatives seemed v slow for auto's ( it had to be an auto for the wife, the Focus and Mazda 3 didn't appeal, 1 series had a small boot, Leon was my other choice but the Golf interior finish swayed me and 125 bhp felt nippy with the DSG). The issue happens at standstill, so brake depressed as I bring the car to stationary and moving gear from D to P, a short shake/lurch immediately follows after the P is engaged.
Whether the current issue is minor or requires an expensive repair I will push for it to be covered under the 2 year warranty. I am seriously thinking should I consider moving the car on once it's sorted and importantly whilst still in the warranty period. I really don't want a 2/3/4k bill if the gearbox goes kaput later on e.g: in a few years outside of warranty
Edited by VR99 on Wednesday 22 December 03:51
stevemcs said:
The power shift box in the Focu is on par with the dsg in vw group cars, it may even be a touch more unreliable, however the focus is a better car. Even Kia/Hyundai have issues with the dual clutch box. I would only buy an auto with a torque converter gearbox.
Thanks for the info. This is the reason I avoided the Focus too, well mainly the powershift and to a lesser extent the Ecoboost....I also came from a MK1 Focus and wanted to try a non-Ford for a change.I think the Mazda 3 uses a torque converter for their 2.0 petrol auto's and assume torque convertors are more common in the Japanese brands...along with CVT's?
Do you have any familiarity with either or both the auto gearboxes used in the MINI 1.5/ 2.0 Cooper and BMW 1.5? (Both petrol).
Edit: I will try to avoid any knee jerk reaction as aside from the potential issue with the DSG, it's a really nice car to drive...night and day Vs my old n/a 1.8 but I would prefer to not be dealing with a huge bill for DSG issues later when the warranty is expired....
Edited by VR99 on Wednesday 22 December 11:50
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