Audi S5 Stage 1 Remap

[8IKERDAVE]

Has anyone done this to theirs? I have a 2016 S5 V6T Sportback and quite fancy the numbers from a stage 1 taking BHP to around 395.

I daily drive this car so realistically what sort of MPG loss am I looking at? Presumably for 'normal driving' there won't be a huge difference just when fun pedal is down. Also there are tons of remap options out there, I've always been drawn to a proper rolling road setup as opposed to a generic tune but interested to hear peoples opinions..

[tomsugden]

I've sold it now but I had my 2014 S5 cabrio remapped by VRS in Northampton. They did an APR stage 1 98 ron remap, and it was rolling roaded at ~450bhp. I also had the DSG box remapped at the same time and the car was transformed.

I highly recommend VRS, they do these all day long.

[8IKERDAVE]

tomsugden said:

I've sold it now but I had my 2014 S5 cabrio remapped by VRS in Northampton. They did an APR stage 1 98 ron remap, and it was rolling roaded at ~450bhp. I also had the DSG box remapped at the same time and the car was transformed.

I highly recommend VRS, they do these all day long.

Wow that's a pretty good result! I've heard of VRS as I'm a subscriber of Calvins Car Diary on youtube and he works with them a lot.

[MattS5]

8IKERDAVE said:

Has anyone done this to theirs? I have a 2016 S5 V6T Sportback and quite fancy the numbers from a stage 1 taking BHP to around 395.

I daily drive this car so realistically what sort of MPG loss am I looking at? Presumably for 'normal driving' there won't be a huge difference just when fun pedal is down. Also there are tons of remap options out there, I've always been drawn to a proper rolling road setup as opposed to a generic tune but interested to hear peoples opinions..

I went Revo stage 1 with my 2016 S5 the day it came out of warranty,
I really cant tell any difference in fuel consumption. On a run at 85, i'll see a steady 28, at 55 on the commute (whwnever that happens again) I used to see 32.
Pushing on, it'll easily tumble to 14 ish.

I didn't get the DSG map, as I prefered to keep the original lower redline limit, but my power went from 335 to 410.
I'm pretty sure the additional power extracted by the gearbox tune (liftng the red line limit )would have easily added an extra 20-25bhp.

Great cars (S4 or S5) when mapped, this is my second, it's not the most pointy of cars, but 95% of the time, it delivers performance and practicality in spades.
I'm not sellling this one for many years!

[8IKERDAVE]

MattS5 said:

8IKERDAVE said:

Has anyone done this to theirs? I have a 2016 S5 V6T Sportback and quite fancy the numbers from a stage 1 taking BHP to around 395.

I daily drive this car so realistically what sort of MPG loss am I looking at? Presumably for 'normal driving' there won't be a huge difference just when fun pedal is down. Also there are tons of remap options out there, I've always been drawn to a proper rolling road setup as opposed to a generic tune but interested to hear peoples opinions..

I went Revo stage 1 with my 2016 S5 the day it came out of warranty,
I really cant tell any difference in fuel consumption. On a run at 85, i'll see a steady 28, at 55 on the commute (whwnever that happens again) I used to see 32.
Pushing on, it'll easily tumble to 14 ish.

I didn't get the DSG map, as I prefered to keep the original lower redline limit, but my power went from 335 to 410.
I'm pretty sure the additional power extracted by the gearbox tune (liftng the red line limit )would have easily added an extra 20-25bhp.

Great cars (S4 or S5) when mapped, this is my second, it's not the most pointy of cars, but 95% of the time, it delivers performance and practicality in spades.
I'm not sellling this one for many years!

Interesting, a lot seem to recommend the Revo map although it seems to be at least twice as expensive as an ECU stage 1. I must admit although the car feels fairly quick, there is an element of it being held back which I'm sure a tweak would sort.

[catso]

MattS5 said:

I went Revo stage 1 with my 2016 S5 the day it came out of warranty,
I really cant tell any difference in fuel consumption. On a run at 85, i'll see a steady 28, at 55 on the commute (whwnever that happens again) I used to see 32.
Pushing on, it'll easily tumble to 14 ish.

I didn't get the DSG map, as I prefered to keep the original lower redline limit, but my power went from 335 to 410.
I'm pretty sure the additional power extracted by the gearbox tune (liftng the red line limit )would have easily added an extra 20-25bhp.

Great cars (S4 or S5) when mapped, this is my second, it's not the most pointy of cars, but 95% of the time, it delivers performance and practicality in spades.
I'm not sellling this one for many years!

Likewise with my S4

One reason I went with Revo is that I can switch between 4 maps: Standard, Performance 1, P2 & P3 - with the Performance maps being for different fuel octane ratings (P1 - 95, P2 - 99, P3 - 100+). All other tuners I contacted specifically stated that it would 'need' 99 octane fuel once mapped and whilst I do use this, it's good to have the option to not have to.

Maps switched using the SPS unit which simply plugs into the OBD port, also means I can do a back-to-back comparison.

Noticeably swifter in any of the Performance modes, I run it in the P2 mode on V-power and 0-60 is around a half second quicker. Not noticed any difference in average fuel consumption though, obviously if ragging it, it will use more.

[MattS5]

I couldnt go with switchable map, due to the newer age of vehcile, but I did get the Revo dealer to set mine for 98 RON fuel, which widens the availability to BP Ulimtate etc as opposed to Shell V Powee and the lile.

I'd not hesitate to recommend REVO though, having had my 8L S3, 8P S3, and previous B8 S5 all mapped with that software.

[tomsugden]

I considered Revo on mine, but the owner of a well known VW indi that used to recommend Revo now only uses APR. He wouldn't tell me why they won't sell Revo anymore, only that they're not as good as he thought they were.

[danneth]

I've just purchased a 2017 s5.

I'm looking at either APR or a map from unicorn developments

[danneth]

Went with unicorn in the end

[MattS5]

That's a decent uplift from the turbo charged engine.
I'm thinking you can feel the difference like night and day?!

[danneth]

MattS5 said:

That's a decent uplift from the turbo charged engine.
I'm thinking you can feel the difference like night and day?!

Ye it's a totally different car now

[Cupramax]

Interesting to see the standard car is pushing 400hp, ignore me, I can’t read don’t want to piss on your fireworks but that remap power plot doesn’t look very good, it may be producing more power but it tails off badly from 5k rpm.

Edited by Cupramax on Tuesday 9th November 11:47

[danneth]

Cupramax said:

Interesting to see the standard car is pushing 400hp, don’t want to piss on your fireworks but that remap power plot doesn’t look very good, it may be producing more power but it tails off badly from 5k rpm.

Interesting post.

The car made 332 as standard.

The plot looks much better than standard, these cars are are known for their lumpy delivery as standard (see how its been smoothed out) this is also evident from the daily drive in it now.

It sure does tail off after 5k they only have small turbos on these and run out of puff pretty quickly at the top end, this is also why they move the shift point with the tcu tune to 6100rpm rather than the original redline as its pointless.

[TorqueDirty]

Thought I'd jump on this thread and ask which is the better / easier engine to tune, the supercharged V6 or the later V6 turbo one.

I'm thinking about getting an S5 Coupe or an S4 Avant and would be keen to get a remap. (Going to change two of my cars hence the option of the Avant or Coupe - the other car can fill whatever gap the Audi does not fill)

Clearly the newer car offers more in terms of tech but the slightly older version (for a lot less cash) might be a better choice if I go down the remap route.

Aside from remap compatibility is the newer car light and day better than the older one - would be nice to save 10k and still end up with a perfectly decent car.

[danneth]

TorqueDirty said:

Thought I'd jump on this thread and ask which is the better / easier engine to tune, the supercharged V6 or the later V6 turbo one.

I'm thinking about getting an S5 Coupe or an S4 Avant and would be keen to get a remap. (Going to change two of my cars hence the option of the Avant or Coupe - the other car can fill whatever gap the Audi does not fill)

Clearly the newer car offers more in terms of tech but the slightly older version (for a lot less cash) might be a better choice if I go down the remap route.

Aside from remap compatibility is the newer car light and day better than the older one - would be nice to save 10k and still end up with a perfectly decent car.

It's easier and cheaper to get more power from the supercharged engine currently.

The b9 is still relatively new and most are still developing for it, however, early signs are it's a beast of a platform.

I don't think you could say the b9 is 10k better than the b8, but for me I much preferred the interior, dash and looks on the b9, personally think the b8 is just looking a little dated now.

Go and test them both imo

[catso]

IMHO the supercharged engine will always be a better drive due to the low down power delivery.

A supercharged engine behaves like a larger displacement naturally aspirated whereas turbos inevitably suffer some lag and just don't deliver the grunt at lower rpm/off boost etc.

The B8 is good for 400hp+ with a simple remap and 500ish with a bit more work, maybe the turbo'd engine can make more? but, to me it's not just about headline figures.

[Cupramax]

Just to add I misread the figures on that printout, I was looking at the figure on the right side of the graph and assumed it was power, but it’s torque, but I stand by my comment on the power graph not looking right though, almost like you’d expect from a diesel. Maybe the turbo on the newer engine is pretty close to its limit out of the box hence it running out of puff high up? whereas the earlier supercharged version of the same engine will go ballistic with just a remap, pulley and gearbox map to remove the 6.2k restriction.

[Cupramax]

For comparison here’s a remapped S5 CREC supercharged engine. See how it pulls cleanly up to 7k by comparison?

[danneth]

Cupramax said:

Just to add I misread the figures on that printout, I was looking at the figure on the right side of the graph and assumed it was power, but it’s torque, but I stand by my comment on the power graph not looking right though, almost like you’d expect from a diesel. Maybe the turbo on the newer engine is pretty close to its limit out of the box hence it running out of puff high up? whereas the earlier supercharged version of the same engine will go ballistic with just a remap, pulley and gearbox map to remove the 6.2k restriction.

It's pretty standard looking graph if you have a look around, but you're right it's just a little turbo and doesn't have that much more in it, I think with supporting mods you can see another 30bhp before going down the hybrid route.

The b8 is great for tuning you can spend 1700 quid with mrc and have nearly 480bhp, however, when you look at the actual times of the b8 vs b9 even though the b9 is down on power its still matching or doing better times in most cases.

I've taken delivery of the dragy today, so hopefully get some times tonight,then we can see how good the 430bhp actually performs.