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Yeah i know its a volvo but it has an old audi motor (2.3 Turbo 5-cyl) and theres no volvo section... anyway my old man has one to test that hes looking at buying, and it seems to be only running on 4 cylinders, either that or has some ECU problem. ABS light also comes on from time to time which might be related.
Anyone have any ideas or experience of this?
oh yeah i'm new here too, hi everyone i'm Ben
Anyone have any ideas or experience of this?
oh yeah i'm new here too, hi everyone i'm Ben
GravelBen said:
Yeah i know its a volvo but it has an old audi motor (2.3 Turbo 5-cyl) and theres no volvo section... anyway my old man has one to test that hes looking at buying, and it seems to be only running on 4 cylinders, either that or has some ECU problem. ABS light also comes on from time to time which might be related.
Anyone have any ideas or experience of this?
oh yeah i'm new here too, hi everyone i'm Ben
Ben, it's not actually a pure Audi engine, it's made under licence by Volvo, but they have produced a whole lot of variants on it and taken it out to 2.5 litres.
They have also mounted transversely, which Audi never didi with the 5 cylinder.
GravelBen said:
Yeah i know its a volvo but it has an old audi motor (2.3 Turbo 5-cyl) and theres no volvo section... anyway my old man has one to test that hes looking at buying, and it seems to be only running on 4 cylinders, either that or has some ECU problem. ABS light also comes on from time to time which might be related.
Anyone have any ideas or experience of this?
oh yeah i'm new here too, hi everyone i'm Ben
Ben, it's not actually a pure Audi engine, it's made under licence by Volvo, but they have produced a whole lot of variants on it and taken it out to 2.5 litres.
They have also mounted transversely, which Audi never didi with the 5 cylinder.
In the T-5 it's still a 2.3, not sure if they made any changes at that stage other than the transverse mounting. Any ideas on what the problem is? We're thinking currently its more likely ECU than anything, eg. if there is a problem with the ABS it may have reverted to a 'limp-home' mode. Tried disconnecting battery for 20 min to reset ECU but didnt help. Exhaust temp. light comes on sporadically too, this may be caused by the same problem.
Its nothing like an Audi engine at all.
For one thing its entirely aluminium.
It has 20 valves instead of the usual 10 (excludes the later 20 valvers).
The engine is cast in 4 sections.
A lower sump pan.
An intermediate spacer block.
A crankcase assembly
A cylinder head.
The engine was an all new design from Volvo...i should know i must have took a 100 of em out to do the rear main oil seals and fix other annoying oil leaks!
The only Volvo in the lineup that has the 5 cylinder 10 valver from Audi is the V70 turbo diesel, and that was lifted directly from the petrol engine design...its made under licence i believe or supplied thru Audi.
Another oddball is the Audi straight 6. Whats one of those? Theyre fitted in certain 960/940 models and are identical to the five cylinder 10 valver in design except theyre diesel powered.
I was about to consider doing a conversion to petrol on one (would be easy-ish) at the time i owned my Audi but it then got written off by someone using me as "brakes".
Oh as for your problem...er..plugs are sometimes "snapped" by monkey mechanics when they screw em in...remove ALL of em and have a check.
Dont worry, youll soon see the busted ones..
Could also be the 02 sensor. Best bet is a dealer and let em put it on Vadis (diagnostics).
HTH
For one thing its entirely aluminium.
It has 20 valves instead of the usual 10 (excludes the later 20 valvers).
The engine is cast in 4 sections.
A lower sump pan.
An intermediate spacer block.
A crankcase assembly
A cylinder head.
The engine was an all new design from Volvo...i should know i must have took a 100 of em out to do the rear main oil seals and fix other annoying oil leaks!
The only Volvo in the lineup that has the 5 cylinder 10 valver from Audi is the V70 turbo diesel, and that was lifted directly from the petrol engine design...its made under licence i believe or supplied thru Audi.
Another oddball is the Audi straight 6. Whats one of those? Theyre fitted in certain 960/940 models and are identical to the five cylinder 10 valver in design except theyre diesel powered.
I was about to consider doing a conversion to petrol on one (would be easy-ish) at the time i owned my Audi but it then got written off by someone using me as "brakes".
Oh as for your problem...er..plugs are sometimes "snapped" by monkey mechanics when they screw em in...remove ALL of em and have a check.
Dont worry, youll soon see the busted ones..
Could also be the 02 sensor. Best bet is a dealer and let em put it on Vadis (diagnostics).
HTH
ok thanks for clearing that up, it seems I had been misinformed about the Audi-engine thing.
We found the problem anyway, seems the stupid dealer got the plug caps full of water when he steam cleaned the engine bay....should checked the simple things first i suppose...
Don't know that he's gonna buy it now, it seems to have a few other things wrong with it, ABS not working, a lot of rattles and clunks from back end of car, tailgate etc, cruise control being temperamental, general things like that make you think it may be more trouble than its worth.
cheers for your help anyway, any other suggestions of stuff to look out for in these would be appreciated.
We found the problem anyway, seems the stupid dealer got the plug caps full of water when he steam cleaned the engine bay....should checked the simple things first i suppose...
Don't know that he's gonna buy it now, it seems to have a few other things wrong with it, ABS not working, a lot of rattles and clunks from back end of car, tailgate etc, cruise control being temperamental, general things like that make you think it may be more trouble than its worth.
cheers for your help anyway, any other suggestions of stuff to look out for in these would be appreciated.
GravelBen said:
ok thanks for clearing that up, it seems I had been misinformed about the Audi-engine thing.
We found the problem anyway, seems the stupid dealer got the plug caps full of water when he steam cleaned the engine bay....should checked the simple things first i suppose...
Don't know that he's gonna buy it now, it seems to have a few other things wrong with it, ABS not working, a lot of rattles and clunks from back end of car, tailgate etc, cruise control being temperamental, general things like that make you think it may be more trouble than its worth.
cheers for your help anyway, any other suggestions of stuff to look out for in these would be appreciated.
Should have told ya about the water filled plug caps......especially after ive done the same thing meself...DOH!!!
MJK 24 said:
The 960 Diesel is a Perkins engine identical to the one fitted to the VW LT range of light trucks and vans. (The old model with the engine under the car between the front seats)
Its actually an Audi engine
. In the Volvo its designated as a D24T or D24 TIC but the actual design is as in the 5 cylinder Audi models...even down to the "VW/Audi" logo stamped on the head and visible in the Volvo's. Power outputs range from 82@4700 D24T to 122@4800 for the D24TIC.
Capacity is 2.3 litres, inline 6.....as you say it was fitted to the LT line of vans but its not a perkins unit...unless youve seen an LT thats been retrofitted with one.
DeltaFox said:
ok thanks for clearing that up, it seems I had been misinformed about the Audi-engine thing.
We found the problem anyway, seems the stupid dealer got the plug caps full of water when he steam cleaned the engine bay....should checked the simple things first i suppose...
Don't know that he's gonna buy it now, it seems to have a few other things wrong with it, ABS not working, a lot of rattles and clunks from back end of car, tailgate etc, cruise control being temperamental, general things like that make you think it may be more trouble than its worth.
cheers for your help anyway, any other suggestions of stuff to look out for in these would be appreciated.
Should have told ya about the water filled plug caps......especially after ive done the same thing meself...DOH!!!
It never ceases to amaze me how some workshops still can't drag themselves into this century.
DON'T STEAM CLEAN AN ENGINE BAY!!!!
This is not an old diesel tractor, it's a modern vehicle and the underbonnet area is filled with electronics.
Electronics + high pressure water = breakdown!
Guarantee you that's what's wrong with your ABS, the water has probably got into the ECU.
I have to say I've found these Volvos to be a bit overrated, they do have a nice engine and they're very rapid, but the suspension is not up to it and they rust quite badly once they get on a bit.
The biggest problem though is the price of spares if you're buying genuine Volvo, utterly horrendous!!
DeltaFox said:
The 960 Diesel is a Perkins engine identical to the one fitted to the VW LT range of light trucks and vans. (The old model with the engine under the car between the front seats)
Its actually an Audi engine
Power outputs range from 82@4700 D24T to 122@4800 for the D24TIC.
Capacity is 2.3 litres, inline 6.....as you say it was fitted to the LT line of vans but its not a perkins unit...unless youve seen an LT thats been retrofitted with one.
Dead right DF, and this is a stonking engine incidentally, I remember the first time I saw one of these in a Volvo estate, my God could it go, and soooo smooth.
Thanks 4 replies guys, he's gone off the 850 idea because of reliability issues, parts prices and the like, now buying a '97 nissan stagea. 2.5 straight-six 4wd (ATTESSA) s/w, looks quite like a V70 but is basically a wagon version of the skyline. more reliable than 850, cheaper to fix, nearly as quick, 4wd, full leather,....oh and its a coupla grand cheaper 
I kicked around the idea a few weeks ago for chopping the 100S4 in for a V70R (or whatever they're called, the 300bhp 4WD version) on the basis I can't get a couple of whippet crates in the back of the S4. The slopey roof line on the C4 estates does limit things slightly.
But it's a small price to pay. The Audi stays...
But it's a small price to pay. The Audi stays...
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